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Title: sous vide bags
Post by: Chovie D on February 18, 2013, 01:31:16 PM
who has one and what vacuum seal/bag system do you use? pros cons? general sous vide wisdom? Thanks.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Chovie D on February 18, 2013, 10:57:07 PM
Nevermind, food saver is the answer
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: MadJohnShaft on March 01, 2013, 08:04:12 PM
As I saw.... If you put a rolled up paper towel near the top, it can help to curtail the liquids from interfering
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Chovie D on March 04, 2013, 06:38:28 PM
food saver is what they use at the modernist cuisine lab so thats what Ima get.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: MadJohnShaft on March 05, 2013, 10:39:04 AM

The fancy pantsy Mexican resort we are going to in a couple weeks has a Molecular Gastronomy restaurant.  In case you want to eat some Nitrogen infused cauliflower butter in Mexico. I bet they have a Sous Vide.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Chovie D on March 05, 2013, 12:05:43 PM
when in mexico...id prefer toave traditional mexican food, rather than a deconstrcuted taco with salsa gelee and scallop foam.

I dont care about molecular astronomy, but I gots a sous vide machine now, should be interesting.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: MadJohnShaft on March 05, 2013, 12:20:00 PM
Put a fucking steak in there and cook it for a whole day, then use your blowtorch to put a delicious crust on it. Wash your hands first.

Try not to poison yourself.

That is what I saw on TV.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Chovie D on March 19, 2013, 03:48:42 PM
hey...... this food saver shit is pretty cool. I can vacuum pack my weed...on weed

havent cooked any sous vide yet tho


soon
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: MadJohnShaft on March 19, 2013, 08:07:00 PM
Put a squirrel in a sous vid bag and report back.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Lumpy on March 19, 2013, 08:40:39 PM
I was expecting duck confît.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: MadJohnShaft on March 20, 2013, 07:03:40 AM
That's not what you think it is.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Lumpy on March 20, 2013, 09:27:16 AM
???

http://norecipes.com/blog/sous-vid-duck-confit/#sthash.96lcBQeZ.dpbs (http://norecipes.com/blog/sous-vid-duck-confit/#sthash.96lcBQeZ.dpbs)

QuoteThis week on Sous Vide Saturday I'm going to talk about one of those dishes that sous vide cooking was practically invented for: duck confit.

Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Chovie D on March 20, 2013, 07:34:18 PM
sure...duck confit sounds great...Ill get on it soon. :)

Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: MadJohnShaft on March 20, 2013, 08:27:44 PM
Duck conf what? You don't want that, make a steak like a man.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Lumpy on March 21, 2013, 01:43:14 AM
A boiled steak, that's a Phyllis Diller joke.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: RAGER on March 21, 2013, 11:19:23 AM
I've got some lovely duck breasts in the freezer from a buddy who bird hunts but I definitely won't be cooking them in a goddamned plastic bag. 
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Chovie D on March 21, 2013, 12:50:00 PM
the advantage of cooking sous vide, according to Modernist Cuisine, is that it cooks the food evenly to a precise temperature all the way thru. I look forward to not having to guess when my steaks are done to perfection and inevitably missing that mark by 30 seconds or so. meat is typically browned on the outside after cooking sous vide. bkowtorch or hot pan just enough to make a crust.

for tougher cuts of meat the cooking times are insanely long. 100 hours for braised shortribs.

seems like something youd be INTO Rager, not raging against  :P
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: RAGER on March 21, 2013, 02:09:14 PM
Modernist Cuisine is exactly what I'm not into.  I'm into old rustic cooking.  Fire and hot quick action of stove top cooking and grilling.  Don't get me wrong, I love slow cooking too; like braising and roasting.  The sous vide thing has never been my deal.  And If I do any confit it's directly in the fat or something like french fingerling potatoes confit in olive oil.  yum
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Lumpy on March 21, 2013, 02:15:44 PM
Quote from: RAGER on March 21, 2013, 11:19:23 AM
I've got some lovely duck breasts

I'll bet you do, sweetheart.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: RAGER on March 21, 2013, 02:17:11 PM
You wait until I show em off.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Chovie D on March 22, 2013, 12:05:17 AM
I gotta admit Im not into modernist cuisine so much myself. But we have all the shit cause of a work connection. the books, the sous vide machine all of it.
I might as well use it. I will report back and letcha know if its any good.

I doubt I will do a fancy Mod C recipe, with tarrot chip ribbons and lobster foam and all that crap...I'll just use the technique to cook the meat.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: MadJohnShaft on March 22, 2013, 05:40:16 AM
This seems, like everything in existence since Cobain died, like something you would dismiss out of hand. This sous vide machine is clearly indicative of your demise and something you should reject as well.


Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Chovie D on March 22, 2013, 12:33:20 PM
Quote from: MadJohnShaft on March 22, 2013, 05:40:16 AM
This seems, like everything in existence since Cobain died, like something you would dismiss out of hand. This sous vide machine is clearly indicative of your demise and something you should reject as well.




I dont doubt your wisdom in this matter...but like I said, i have the machine...should I not use it?
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: RAGER on March 22, 2013, 04:38:20 PM
So what does the "machine" consist of?  A seal a meal?
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Chovie D on March 22, 2013, 05:48:00 PM
The sous vide machine itself is a unit that sits on top of a large pot or vat of your own choosing. It looks like a mini outboard motor for your stew pot basically. It circulates the water, heats it to an exact temperature..this is like a $600 machine.

THe Food Saver is a vacuum sealer. Separate maching used to bag your food and vacuum the air out before cooking.
sous vide means "under vacuum" so youre cooking things in a vacuum of sorts. about $200 for the fanciest model.

Modernist Cuisine 5 volume cookbook, I think is $600?

so yeah... you too can cook sous vide for about $1400  :D

Everything but the Food Saver was free.

The food Saver can be used to store your food also...its a pretty cool device.
I dont know if its $200 cool if youre just using it to preserve your food longer...but it is kinda neat.
SHaft should be all over this...
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Chovie D on March 24, 2013, 09:38:01 PM
did a filet mignon. 35 min at 129 degrees. Machine was quiet and easy to use. seared in a pan afterwards to obtain slight crust (coulda gone longer) . no sauce. right up there in my top 2? steaks ive ever had. cooked perfectly and evenly all the way thru. easy prep and cleanup too.

i said Id let ya know and thats an honest review ...I am, as anyone who knows me knows, a charcoal grillin weber kinda guy...but good is good.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: I,Galactus on March 25, 2013, 09:28:30 AM
Now you have to try sous vide filet buckaroos.  I'd be concerned about the pickle/meatflap assembly's structural integrity.  We expect a full report.   ;)
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Chovie D on March 25, 2013, 11:37:23 AM
Quote from: I,Galactus on March 25, 2013, 09:28:30 AM
Now you have to try sous vide filet buckaroos.  I'd be concerned about the pickle/meatflap assembly's structural integrity.  We expect a full report.   ;)

that is a great idea!! the vacuum sealing should help keep the roll shape intact.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: RAGER on March 25, 2013, 12:42:38 PM
I did just read aboot a steak method that is a bit unorthodox that i WILL try.  You take a completely frozen solid steak and bake it in the oven at low temp for like an hour to get to temp then sear it in a cast iron pan.  Supposed to be really good.

My favorite method is an Alton Brown method that takes aboot 5 minutes and includes a scorchingly hot dry cast iron skillet, a 500 degree oven and an inverted plate.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Chovie D on March 25, 2013, 01:55:01 PM
Quote from: RAGER on March 25, 2013, 12:42:38 PM
I did just read aboot a steak method that is a bit unorthodox that i WILL try.  You take a completely frozen solid steak and bake it in the oven at low temp for like an hour to get to temp then sear it in a cast iron pan.  Supposed to be really good.

My favorite method is an Alton Brown method that takes aboot 5 minutes and includes a scorchingly hot dry cast iron skillet, a 500 degree oven and an inverted plate.

In the modernist Cuisine Cookbook, they have an elaborate method for cooking a hamburger that involves flash freezing it for some reason.

you know how when you cook a steak...the only portion that is (hopefully) perfectly done is the very center? there is usually a good 1/4 inch of steak on either side that is over cooked. This was done perfectly all the wy thru and thats a bigger improvement in taste and texture than one might imagine.
(http://cuisinetechnology.com/_image/_sousvide-professional/beef-comparison-lg.jpg)

super easy process too, just bag it and toss it in, no need to ckeep checking it and no need to "rest" it when its done cooking.
Tonight , gonna sous vide a cod maybe..cod or pork chops. the chops are prtty thin tho, I will probably just pan fry em.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Chovie D on March 31, 2013, 09:22:01 PM
finally did the poached eggs. best ive had.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: MadJohnShaft on April 01, 2013, 10:43:24 AM
Why only 35 min?  Thought you do these for hours and hours
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: RAGER on April 01, 2013, 10:49:56 AM
Confit is hours.

Chovie, So you use plastic bags every time you cook something?  This bothers my inner hippie.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Chovie D on April 01, 2013, 11:45:15 AM
Quote from: RAGER on April 01, 2013, 10:49:56 AM
Confit is hours.

Chovie, So you use plastic bags every time you cook something?  This bothers my inner hippie.

The eggs you just stick in the warm water bath...( i dont see how this techincally qualifies as sous vide since its not under vacuum). For a trad poached egg, its all about time and its a guessing game as to how long to cook em. When you can control the temperature to a tenth of a degree as you can with the sous vide bath, its all about temperature and you can get exact and consistent results every time. 149 degree egg is different than 151 degree ,see chart below.

Shaft, you cook large tough cuts of meat for days sous vide to make them tender. beef short ribs is 100 hours, havent gone there yet.

I am digging the food saver apart from the sous vide action too. Buy a bag of limes, "food saver" half of em...reseal tater chip bags...got more ham than you can eat in a week? food saver half and freeze.

Heres the egg chart
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4voEm7_aZH0/UH4DxeJuHII/AAAAAAAApMU/zaOp4dMZPVA/s1600/Temp_Ref+a.jpg)
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: MadJohnShaft on April 04, 2013, 08:26:30 PM
Liquids?  Put in bag, freeze in freezer, vacuum seal and they won't get sucked up.

It's a fucking miracle thanks to Cooks Illustrated.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: RAGER on April 05, 2013, 11:35:47 AM
I just a read a thing on heat shocking fruits and veggies to help their lifespan in the fridge.  Seems a sous vide bath would work well.  Specific temps for specific foods.  Look into it.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: MadJohnShaft on April 05, 2013, 12:41:51 PM
I'd like to vacuum seal a hot naked chick with big tits.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: RAGER on April 05, 2013, 12:44:35 PM
That would not be Weird Science, it would be Modernist Science!
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Chovie D on April 05, 2013, 05:09:36 PM
Quote from: MadJohnShaft on April 05, 2013, 12:41:51 PM
I'd like to vacuum seal a hot naked chick with big tits.


here ya go...
(http://mangopixie.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/892377_625298900818960_331210241_o.jpg?w=529)
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: MadJohnShaft on April 06, 2013, 09:30:38 AM
How did you make that?
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: RAGER on April 06, 2013, 12:53:54 PM
142 degrees for 15 hours
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Chovie D on August 19, 2013, 12:23:04 PM
made pork loin this weekend. unreal, best ever. 3 hours at 135 degrees.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: MadJohnShaft on August 19, 2013, 02:59:14 PM
Did you brown it in a hot pan at the end or no need?

Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: RAGER on August 19, 2013, 03:33:42 PM
I would definitely have to brown it at some point in time or it would seem too British.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Lumpy on August 19, 2013, 03:42:19 PM
Does it pour out of the bag easily, at the end? ???
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Chovie D on August 19, 2013, 07:01:51 PM
yeah you gotta sear the meat at the end, get a crust on it. Ive been using a hot pan on the stovetop but just bought a torch for searing future cuts.

the loin was super juicy and tasty and perfectly done all the way thru...wow it was good. had it with some chanterelles
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: RAGER on August 19, 2013, 07:58:22 PM
Where'd you get the chanterelles this time of year?  Were they frozen or dried?
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: khoomeizhi on August 19, 2013, 08:33:36 PM
i've been finding chanterelles here recently. but we're having a wetass year. found a couple pounds a couple weeks ago. awesome.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Lumpy on August 19, 2013, 08:41:28 PM
Quote from: Lumpy on August 19, 2013, 03:42:19 PM
Does it pour out of the bag easily, at the end? ???

Nobody liked my joke.  :-\
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: RAGER on August 19, 2013, 09:02:33 PM
Quote from: khoomeizhi on August 19, 2013, 08:33:36 PM
i've been finding chanterelles here recently. but we're having a wetass year. found a couple pounds a couple weeks ago. awesome.

What??!!  man it seems they make their first appearance here after the first frost.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: MadJohnShaft on August 19, 2013, 09:13:07 PM
Could I sous vide a whole damn chicken?

(I am behind 8 frozen chickens to use up somehow.)

Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Chovie D on August 20, 2013, 05:00:35 PM
Quote from: MadJohnShaft on August 19, 2013, 09:13:07 PM
Could I sous vide a whole damn chicken?

(I am behind 8 frozen chickens to use up somehow.)



I havent liked sous vide for chicken. somehow its just not as good as a standard oven roasted chicken.

you couldnt sous vide a whole bird because the air in the chest cavity would prevent a good vacuum seal l and the bag would float. cut it in half and youd be fine.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: MadJohnShaft on August 20, 2013, 09:20:14 PM
How about an alive chicken? It would flop around, assuring even cooking.
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: khoomeizhi on August 21, 2013, 05:31:15 AM
what if you stuffed the chicken first?
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: MadJohnShaft on August 21, 2013, 08:33:33 AM
With a tender live delicious baby rabbit

Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Lumpy on August 21, 2013, 08:38:28 PM
sous vide a turducken?
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: MadJohnShaft on August 22, 2013, 07:20:15 AM
Probably Chovie d is too stoned
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: Chovie D on August 22, 2013, 12:11:55 PM
I am limited by the size of my enclosure (pot). I suppose I could sous vide a turducken inside a large cooler or something.

next Im gonna try lamb shanks
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: MadJohnShaft on August 23, 2013, 11:06:06 AM
While stoned?

There are lots of interesting things to read about sous vide.  And food safety since a cooked piece of meat can be stored and finished later. Did you try that?
Title: Re: sous vide bags
Post by: MadJohnShaft on August 29, 2013, 10:24:26 PM
Steak ala sous vide bags doesn't look like this

(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p520/madjohnshaft/photo_zps2bb9b6eb.jpg)