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Title: Cheese Making
Post by: MadJohnShaft on May 21, 2012, 08:25:03 AM
Ordered the basics using the last of my Amazon card.  From Midwest Homebrewing Supplies too, where I ordered my beer stuff at the end of that adventure

Tablet Vegetable Rennet - 10 ct.
Small Mold for Hard Cheese
Liquid Animal Rennet - 2 oz.
Mesophilic C101 - 5 Packets
Cheese Salt 8oz


Guess I'll be trying the basic recipe first, I have all the other supplies in my brewing gear

http://biology.clc.uc.edu/Fankhauser/Cheese/Cheese98.htm (http://biology.clc.uc.edu/Fankhauser/Cheese/Cheese98.htm)

Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: RAGER on May 21, 2012, 11:56:02 AM
something else I've been wanting to get into.  I've only ever made fresh cheeses like mozarella and fresh white cheese (queso fresco).  just needed rennet, salt ,whole milk and citric acid
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: MadJohnShaft on May 21, 2012, 12:26:43 PM

I decided to get the mold (the plastic round can, not mold mold)  to make things easier - who in the hell has a coffee can anyway?

Probably whole foods carries the Rennet and Citric Acid. You could use canning salt I bet.

Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: RAGER on May 21, 2012, 12:35:26 PM
"canning" salt sounds like marketing to me
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: Jor el on May 21, 2012, 12:49:56 PM

Blessed are the CheeseMakers
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: MadJohnShaft on May 21, 2012, 01:26:23 PM
Heh


Canning salt was probably a thing you would have to go out of your way to buy in the 70s, you just want non-iodized salt. Now, with all the fancy salt it's not a big deal.

(http://www.buythecase.net/uploads/products/200/2460001086.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: deleted account on May 21, 2012, 03:22:41 PM
oh shit.  I thought this thread was gonna be about your posting style Shaft.  my bad
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: MadJohnShaft on May 21, 2012, 06:32:27 PM
The BS belongs in Gen Disc, vegan
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: deleted account on May 21, 2012, 07:40:21 PM
listen Food Noob, this here's the new OFF.  I don't care how many smites you have! 
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: RAGER on May 21, 2012, 07:48:17 PM
Be careful or i will MODERATE you both!
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: MadJohnShaft on May 22, 2012, 10:25:28 AM
Okay.

priest, I am sorry I called you a vegan
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: deleted account on May 22, 2012, 02:09:35 PM
I accept your apology.  you may proceed to post about cheese, CSA's, pork shoulder, and anything else that is sure to annoy me
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: MadJohnShaft on May 25, 2012, 06:26:51 PM
Okay vegan,

I got the items and am making round one tonight...

Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: deleted account on May 25, 2012, 08:19:44 PM
when you say "got", do you mean the CSA limo driver delivered them to you on a silver platter?
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: MadJohnShaft on May 25, 2012, 11:35:17 PM
Is this thing on why are you always so far from making any damn sense? Do you even read anything I type on here? We're going on 10 years. I'm putting you on block and done with you forever.


The cheese is made and in the mold, after a day it goes in the fridge for a few weeks the gets waxed and stored for a month.   We ate some of the curds and it was amazing - like cottage cheese.  

(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p520/madjohnshaft/photo.jpg)
Shhhh.... this cheese is sleeping


http://biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser/Cheese/Cheese98.htm (http://biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser/Cheese/Cheese98.htm)

Although I forgot, with the left over whey you are suppose to make ricotta, so I got that to do tomorrow. I am suprised how good it smells.

(ricotta - there was no solids left in the whey so no ricotta showed up, doing Chedder instead)

(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p520/madjohnshaft/photo-1.jpg)
Child labor making slave Cheddar

Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: deleted account on May 29, 2012, 02:43:13 PM
that slave laborer looks like he was just caught putting a booger in the cheddar pot.

you should change your slogan to "sorry for party blocking"
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: Chovie D on May 29, 2012, 04:17:10 PM
pretty fucking cool  shaft.
so is it worth the trouble and expense?, over just buying some  local cheeses?
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: MadJohnShaft on May 29, 2012, 06:49:49 PM
We shall see.



Like anything artisan that is hand crafted? It's probably better done by the pros so I doubt it... more kind of cool.  I wouldn't enter my beer or cooking or canning efforts into any sort of contest, it's just to do it for the fun of doing it, rather than to be great at it I just want to fuck around with it.   Making cheddar is an 8 hour process elapsed, where you have to watch it for hours at a time keeping it at the proscribed temperature of 102 degrees or otherwise waiting to do the next step.  You can't go wandering off.



I got the second cheddar wheel chilling out on the mantel for a few days. Looks much like that one in the fridge above so no picture needed.  The curds were awesome all warm and freshly made though.   That would be one hell of a nice gift to give someone or bring to a dinner get together... here, I made this cheese.   I guess we'll see if it is good, great, excellent or what...


Now when I get some Goat's milk in a few weeks...
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: Chovie D on May 29, 2012, 08:43:24 PM
good job farmer scientist, that does indeed look and sound like fun...delicious fun. :)
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: RAGER on May 29, 2012, 10:24:27 PM
I am proud.  very nice addition to the "Food and Drink Forum" Juan !!!!
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: MadJohnShaft on June 01, 2012, 09:47:00 AM

The Cheddar Cheese is now waxed. Family fun.

Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: Chovie D on June 01, 2012, 10:06:43 AM
are you gonna try and age some? that would require patience...plus you can go buy the aged shit without having to wait ten years I guess.
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: MadJohnShaft on June 09, 2012, 01:24:15 PM
Making Gouda, the milk guy had a sale so I got 4 qts of fancy whole milk.  I got more aggressive with the mesophilic and rennet and it set up a lot firmer than the first two batches, figured out a better cheese press setup too. 
Oh yeah


http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/Recipes/Make-Gouda-Cheese-951/Gouda-Cheese-Recipe-486.aspx (http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/Recipes/Make-Gouda-Cheese-951/Gouda-Cheese-Recipe-486.aspx)
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: MadJohnShaft on July 02, 2012, 08:01:23 AM
Opened two and brought them to my dads - the first one I made and the gouda. Keeping the cheddar to age a bit.


The first basic recipe was thick and creamy like a Brie, the Gouda was mild and had a nice texture and a crumbly salty appealing rind.

Both were excellent so I give this project an A+.  The kids suggested I do event cheeses - make one when he starts high school and eat it at graduation.

I got the Thermo-whatever culture to try a Parmesan next.  I got a couple of nicer pieces of cheese cloth, the grocery store cheese cloth is too sticky.
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: khoomeizhi on July 07, 2012, 06:03:21 PM
are there pics of the finished cheese that you're withholding, or did you not document the best part of such a formative moment in your personal culinary arc? i mean, c'mon.
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: MadJohnShaft on July 09, 2012, 12:32:35 PM

Yes!  The top one is the Gouda and the bottom is the creamy whatever the hell it is.


(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p520/madjohnshaft/photo-4.jpg)


They do all sort of look the same, since there is no coloring and the press is the same, but they taste very different. I made a Parmesan this weekend. Parmesan gets oiled with olive oil at the 3, 6, 9 months mark and needs about a year.  I suppose if I make cheese 10 times are year you get a back log going and a year out you always one or two ready to eat.

Oh yeah!


Maybe I will do a Parmesan-regianno next, you need goat milk for that. I know whole paycheck carries it but I need it to be not ultra-pasturized.   The cheddar is the next one I can eat, just have to decide how long I can wait.
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: khoomeizhi on July 09, 2012, 12:45:39 PM
nice.
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: RAGER on July 09, 2012, 01:22:11 PM
Nice work on the cheese.
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: MadJohnShaft on July 09, 2012, 04:57:34 PM
"I got the Thermo-whatever culture to try a Parmesan next.  I got a couple of nicer pieces of cheese cloth, the grocery store cheese cloth is too sticky."


You can apparently make your own starter cultures for both the low temp and high temp cheeses - yogurt and buttermilk use those same active whatevers - and you can stick some in milk and freeze in ice trays.  You don't want them to die off so you can just keep making a new batch of starters when you get to the last cube.  Interesting..... I did rinse and reuse yeast for beer once and it worked slick.   


I would recommend getting cheese cloth from the cheese supply places - it is better than the store cheese cloth which is too wussy.  They sell one that is made of plastic that works great and you can wash and re-use over and over. It worked great.


I will put a picture of my cheese press here later, since I came up with a kick ass solution....
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: El Zombre on July 10, 2012, 06:54:21 PM
Muslin cloth? It works for tofu making better than cheese cloth.
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: MadJohnShaft on July 10, 2012, 11:05:07 PM
Yes that is right
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: deleted account on July 11, 2012, 01:21:51 PM
Shaft admits to making tofu!  closet vegan!
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: MadJohnShaft on July 12, 2012, 11:24:20 AM
Clearly you've earned a promotion, vegan. Reading comprehension skills even worse than Fartbarth.



Flipping over a cheese everyday after work is good honest dedication and makes you smart for doing it. Who will flip my cheese when I am on Holiday?
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: khoomeizhi on July 12, 2012, 06:56:07 PM
^ this is why most real farmers never go on vacation.
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: MadJohnShaft on July 12, 2012, 08:51:38 PM
That would be because of the need to milk cows
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: khoomeizhi on July 12, 2012, 09:46:19 PM
inextricably related
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: MadJohnShaft on July 15, 2012, 02:59:06 PM
I would like to toot my own horn on this - those storage shelves with the plastic holders removed make a cheese press which you are seeing here on The Internets for the first time. This is now to be known as a MadJohnShaft Cheese Press setup.

(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p520/madjohnshaft/photo-5.jpg)
Cheese press mind fuck

It budges not an inch to the north south east nor west, yet you can add and remove 50 pounds on it in the blink of an eye.  If you store your cheese making supplies on that shelf, when you need that shelf.... It is already empty.
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: RAGER on July 15, 2012, 03:53:10 PM
I like it.  I love coming up with shit like that.
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: MadJohnShaft on September 27, 2012, 08:05:46 PM
The Parmesan was olive oiled this last weekend. Other than that, cheese stands still for human time. 

Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: RAGER on September 30, 2012, 12:44:53 PM
YOU SHOULD DIG A DUTCH CAVE UNDER YOUR HOUSE FOR YOUR GOUDA, GEK
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: khoomeizhi on September 30, 2012, 02:37:13 PM
and maybe a swiss cave, and do some gruyere.
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: MadJohnShaft on October 03, 2012, 04:52:20 AM
As promised, the Asagio cheese split open so I dipped it in a brine bath everyday for a couple weeks hoping the salt layer would chill it out. We'll see.

I got four of them going, I should make a few more before my rennet gets old.  They seem happy enough sitting in the fridge in the basement with no mold in evidence.  Maybe I'll bust open one for Thanksgiving.


For Cheese October I made a cheddar again and put some homemade horseradish in it - it's resting in the  living room.
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: MadJohnShaft on December 17, 2012, 09:38:40 PM
I think Cheddar II has some mold under the wax. The fix is to un-wax it, cut off the mold, put a some dilute vinegar on the wound and rewax.  It's like a little being you are going to eat.  I recently read the wax needs to get up to 220 to get sterile.

I need a wine fridge for the cheese - the basement fridge has cheese, bread, meat, beer and stock in it. It's a little gamey.

I just made a Colby from the un-homogenized (but still gently PASTURIZED) Milk from the butcher store. It is sitting in a brine.  I have messed up every single step.  It didn't set up so I rebooted the rennet.  Then we went out to dinner.  I went to work so it got pressed for a whole day at too much weight.  When I went to brine it this morning, the brine was frozen solid so it let it just sit in the laundry room in the basement a whole day.




Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: juggernaut on December 18, 2012, 04:59:05 PM
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Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: RAGER on March 20, 2019, 10:24:27 AM
During my year off (2016) I made all kinds of cheese. I still have quite a lot aging. I'll dredge up some pics and memories soon.
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: RAGER on January 20, 2020, 02:57:23 PM
Dang I still haven't posted and of my cheese.

Anyways. Totally cheese related. One of our local cheesemongers  (Sarah) who is a very cool lady just won the Cheesemonger Invitational. So proud of her. When I go to Cheesebar I always feel lucky to have her assist me in my selections.
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: RAGER on March 12, 2020, 02:03:52 PM
Got my cheese of the month haul. Theme is Goats milk.

(https://i.imgur.com/FLdU5ew.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/e4taqyN.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dFjNjNO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FpR7EYz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/giRQ2fP.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: RAGER on March 13, 2020, 03:01:37 PM
The cheddar is really mild but very dense and smooth.

The tomme de chevre' is nice and strong and a bit chewy. Super noms.

The Gouda is my favorite. So much depth and ooooh the calcium lactate crystals.
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: Muffin Man on March 13, 2020, 03:18:26 PM
I love those little nuggets like pop rocks. I miss my Gouda, gonna find some smoked.
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: RAGER on March 13, 2020, 03:55:43 PM
I'll prolly sign up for another 3 month deal if we're still alive.
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: RAGER on April 26, 2020, 10:25:45 PM
Dug in the old cheese cellar. This is/was a Caerphilly I made a few years back. It was a salty and dry cheddaring process cheese. Turned out good. I made a few small wheels.  let this half go. Now it's like a 40 month Parmesan.

(https://i.imgur.com/Fb793LE.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: Lumpy on April 26, 2020, 11:36:30 PM
More like "Cheese My King" amirite?
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: RAGER on April 27, 2020, 10:03:29 AM
Three year feta?  Hmmm.

The other I think is a tomme

(https://i.imgur.com/FmmIQ2f.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: RAGER on April 28, 2020, 11:30:20 AM
So this was some blue I did. Inoculated with fourme d'ambert.

It was originally just so so. I cracked this the other day. Whoa. Didn't even taste it. Just chucked it. This is 3 years plus in the cheese fridge.

(https://i.imgur.com/xjQp3vm.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tnhYQfF.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheese Making
Post by: Muffin Man on April 29, 2020, 12:34:52 AM
Excellent entries nonetheless. I for one, applaud you. Please continue and kindly email discount subscription voucher please sir