http://musiciansfriend.com/stupid (http://musiciansfriend.com/stupid)
So there's no pcb right?
course there's a PCB, just like in Ampeg, Marshall, Orange, Mesa Boogies, even Marshall's own Plexi copy ;D
That and this http://www.classictone.net/40-18026.html (http://www.classictone.net/40-18026.html) gives you a really nice sounding amp for $320, not that the original transformer is terrible to begin with, it does the job.
i was being sarcastic. Still that's a pretty good deal even if you did the tranny upgrade
I was just pointing out, no matter what the name, you're probably going to get a PCB ;D
Unless you go boutique, and then it's mucho dinero time.
Yeah it's not a bad deal, hell even at $350 it's not so bad a deal. Bob always runs his with two tubes out, and it's still louder than hell. I suppose if we'd wanted to save $20 we could have flung the 50W Plexi tranny in there instead.
Why does it jump from $250 to $350 when you click it?
man, I could see that be a decent backup amp, but I remeber them sounding really thin and trebly online compared to other clones and the real deal. but at $250 thats still an option for a pedal platform.
It's 350 usually, if you look down below it has a really tiny -100 below it a few inches.
Build your own for 500
Magnetic Comps makes nice trannies, you can get some from Weber 2.
$500 where are you getting your chassis, headkit and transformers from?
The Weber kits are running about $600 for a 50 or 100W, I'm serious if you can get the whole caboodle for $500 where are you getting the parts?
I almost pulled the trigger on this piece of shit like four times today.
Is that tranny mod desolder/remove, put in/resolder simple? Then obviously a bias?
I wouldn't mind having the jump channel. The head shell would have to go, and all of that shit would have to be acetoned off the faceplate.
I'd rebuild it one out of cherry, and get one of those plexi glass etched faceplaces for it...
I'm holding off, but it's tempting. Gawd, I don't know what I want in an another amp!!! Need a solid backup rig that can that can also double as a in-house rig during winter.
Will Brugera be the amp of choice of stoner rockers 10 years from now?
Fuck it, just saw a gutshot of the 1960. Fuck all that noise.
I'll buy a peavey.
Quote from: Hemisaurus on October 09, 2011, 04:03:55 PM
$500 where are you getting your chassis, headkit and transformers from?
The Weber kits are running about $600 for a 50 or 100W, I'm serious if you can get the whole caboodle for $500 where are you getting the parts?
CE Distribution
I have dealer prices of course. I could probably get it to 500 if your willing to use budget level parts
I get 100W PT and OTs for 130 a set.
You can build a plexi out of the 8cm100 kit for much cheaper than a SL kit. thats 515 stock from Weber.
There's a Columbus Day sale too, so 10% off orders over 99 dollars (use sale code when checking out). So it's really 225. And shipping is free.
Motherfucker I'm going to have to buy it now.
Quote from: dunwichamps on October 09, 2011, 05:32:02 PM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on October 09, 2011, 04:03:55 PM
$500 where are you getting your chassis, headkit and transformers from?
The Weber kits are running about $600 for a 50 or 100W, I'm serious if you can get the whole caboodle for $500 where are you getting the parts?
CE Distribution
I have dealer prices of course. I could probably get it to 500 if your willing to use budget level parts
I get 100W PT and OTs for 130 a set.
Then again $250 gets you the whole amp, and I imagine you can pick up a turret board, valve sockets, and components for less than $250?
That CE distro is neat, do you need a login to see prices? I think I know someone who can be my 'dealer' ;D
You can build a plexi out of the 8cm100 kit for much cheaper than a SL kit. thats 515 stock from Weber.
So it is, did not notice that before, neat. Oh, and they have a 2xKT88 or 2xKT100 option as well.
How many are you ordering to get a dealer price, I'm imagining your not making a whole lot of amps at a go?
Sold out.
Delete Thread then ;D
Quote from: Hemisaurus on October 09, 2011, 07:41:06 PM
Quote from: dunwichamps on October 09, 2011, 05:32:02 PM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on October 09, 2011, 04:03:55 PM
$500 where are you getting your chassis, headkit and transformers from?
The Weber kits are running about $600 for a 50 or 100W, I'm serious if you can get the whole caboodle for $500 where are you getting the parts?
CE Distribution
I have dealer prices of course. I could probably get it to 500 if your willing to use budget level parts
I get 100W PT and OTs for 130 a set.
Then again $250 gets you the whole amp, and I imagine you can pick up a turret board, valve sockets, and components for less than $250?
That CE distro is neat, do you need a login to see prices? I think I know someone who can be my 'dealer' ;D
You can build a plexi out of the 8cm100 kit for much cheaper than a SL kit. thats 515 stock from Weber.
So it is, did not notice that before, neat. Oh, and they have a 2xKT88 or 2xKT100 option as well.
How many are you ordering to get a dealer price, I'm imagining your not making a whole lot of amps at a go?
I dont get dealer prices from Weber, just CEDist. Weber can get you a budget build a 515 + ship (approx 45) so you can just mod the 8cm100 into a SL or whatever u want.
I do get dealer prices on parts through CE dist, say u need a repo 100W marshall pt or it i can get them for 67
Made in US trannies
I knew I shouldn't have waited. Dumb.
Really though, I should just find a legit 1959 Marshall and jump the channels on it. I just like the look.
Just grab the Weber kit Duwich mentioned.
Quote from: Hemisaurus on October 09, 2011, 08:37:55 PM
Just grab the Weber kit Duwich mentioned.
That requires me to fuckin' work though...
I need to buy my conceal and carry permit, and a handgun, so gear purchases get pushed back for a while...
Quote from: SunnO))) on October 09, 2011, 08:40:19 PM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on October 09, 2011, 08:37:55 PM
Just grab the Weber kit Duwich mentioned.
That requires me to fuckin' work though...
I need to buy my conceal and carry permit, and a handgun, so gear purchases get pushed back for a while...
2 much QQ not enough PewPew
Speaker of jumping inputs, that weber 100w hiwatt clone looks good too. ;D
Although I don't understand what that the pre-master and post-master knobs are about??? I read something about them being pre-phase inverter and post-phase inverter. I've never understood that concept. Anyone tell me what they do exactly?
Quote from: SunnO))) on October 09, 2011, 08:36:30 PM
Really though, I should just find a legit 1959 Marshall and jump the channels on it. I just like the look.
oh you mean like mine :)
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee74/spicoli420_2007/Plexi.jpg)
prephase inverter means the volume controls the amplitude before the phase inverter, thats the circuit which produces 2 output of phase waveforms to drive the push pull power amp. Post phase inverter means the control is after the phase inverter. For example if you crank the prephaseinverter master then choke down the post, you will get signifigant phase inverter distortion, while vice versa gives you much less to no phase inverter distortion for the same output signal to the speaker/
Quote from: SunnO))) on October 09, 2011, 08:40:19 PM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on October 09, 2011, 08:37:55 PM
Just grab the Weber kit Duwich mentioned.
That requires me to fuckin' work though...
I need to buy my conceal and carry permit, and a handgun, so gear purchases get pushed back for a while...
What do you plan on getting? A CCW in California is next to impossible unless you're in office or best buddies with the sheriff but I have a Glock 21 at home and plan on getting a Mossberg 590A1 in the near future. I'm still pretty new to shooting but my girlfriends family is into it and I got to do some rifle shooting when I was at their farm in Florida.
Quote from: dunwichamps on October 09, 2011, 09:14:28 PM
prephase inverter means the volume controls the amplitude before the phase inverter, thats the circuit which produces 2 output of phase waveforms to drive the push pull power amp. Post phase inverter means the control is after the phase inverter. For example if you crank the prephaseinverter master then choke down the post, you will get signifigant phase inverter distortion, while vice versa gives you much less to no phase inverter distortion for the same output signal to the speaker/
So pardon me (I'm borderline retarded here), does that mean you can set how dirty the amp is relative to the volume. Set the pre high for a more overdriven signal or low to keep the signal clean??? How does that affect the overall headroom of the amp? Again, sorry it's a little confusing.
Quote from: clockwork green on October 09, 2011, 09:19:28 PM
What do you plan on getting? A CCW in California is next to impossible unless you're in office or best buddies with the sheriff but I have a Glock 21 at home and plan on getting a Mossberg 590A1 in the near future. I'm still pretty new to shooting but my girlfriends family is into it and I got to do some rifle shooting when I was at their farm in Florida.
That's the way it goes in liberal states (I'm not complaining though). I always thought in the south CCW permits came in kid's happy meals ;D
I've got a glock 17 for home but a springfield xd subcomp 9mm would be the ticket for carrying. I like the super safe design features.
I'm not trading my SF bay area for the south and I know more and more liberal folks getting into guns (myself included) so maybe things will change.
I live in Florida, CCW ain't shit to get. You can get them at gun shows, gun shops, random dudes do it, here.
Also, if you don't want to carry one on your person, just to have a truck gun, we have the three step rule, in Florida. You can have a registered hand gun in Florida, long as it's three steps away from you. In a zipper bag, under a seat, unclipped (but keep it chambered.) It's supposed to give you time to think about what you're pulling your gun for.
Long guns, you can have on a fuckin' rack in your window, though. I had a Remington 870 leaned up against the windowline in my Ranger for a few years, but I go to too many Military bases and Nuke plants to carry a long gun.
I am actually getting the Springfield XD-9, that's strange you mention it. Xytel lower, stainless upper, 3 inch... Killer little gun.
yep. Get a better holster though ;)
I'm a reasonable, smart, (very liberal) young adult. I just have the right to bear arms, and not exercising that right kind of goes against BEING AMERICAN?
Also, I fuckin' live in the south, they give out guns for opening bank accounts here.
isn't it the right to bear arms to form a militia, am I on abmilitia forum? ;D
You shush, Florida has those self-defense laws, etc etc.
those the ones that allow seniors tomshoot their mailman right ;D
I'll just prompt you guys on why I'm getting a gun.
The other night, I was out with a buddy, just wanderin', we do that a lot, and we happened upon a guy in the midst of beating a women. I pushed him off her, and squared off, he pulled a gun. I was toast.
Never again.
Quote from: clockwork green on October 09, 2011, 04:22:47 PM
Will Brugera be the amp of choice of stoner rockers 10 years from now?
will any of em still work?
Quote from: bitter end on October 09, 2011, 09:47:18 PM
Quote from: dunwichamps on October 09, 2011, 09:14:28 PM
prephase inverter means the volume controls the amplitude before the phase inverter, thats the circuit which produces 2 output of phase waveforms to drive the push pull power amp. Post phase inverter means the control is after the phase inverter. For example if you crank the prephaseinverter master then choke down the post, you will get signifigant phase inverter distortion, while vice versa gives you much less to no phase inverter distortion for the same output signal to the speaker/
So pardon me (I'm borderline retarded here), does that mean you can set how dirty the amp is relative to the volume. Set the pre high for a more overdriven signal or low to keep the signal clean??? How does that affect the overall headroom of the amp? Again, sorry it's a little confusing.
Quote from: clockwork green on October 09, 2011, 09:19:28 PM
What do you plan on getting? A CCW in California is next to impossible unless you're in office or best buddies with the sheriff but I have a Glock 21 at home and plan on getting a Mossberg 590A1 in the near future. I'm still pretty new to shooting but my girlfriends family is into it and I got to do some rifle shooting when I was at their farm in Florida.
That's the way it goes in liberal states (I'm not complaining though). I always thought in the south CCW permits came in kid's happy meals ;D
I've got a glock 17 for home but a springfield xd subcomp 9mm would be the ticket for carrying. I like the super safe design features.
You would get more headroom if you cranked post master then if you cranked premaster assuming in both cases you had the same ouput power to speakers. If you crank both amp is dimed so you already going to get pretty clippy. The weber clones have a too much gain than most DR clone. Not that you can just sub a few tubes in and call it a day
That is not the easiest amp to build. its one of their tricker builds.
Quote from: mawso on October 10, 2011, 03:19:38 AM
Quote from: clockwork green on October 09, 2011, 04:22:47 PM
Will Brugera be the amp of choice of stoner rockers 10 years from now?
will any of em still work?
Yep, I imagine they will. God knows maybe we'll end up with a band called Bugera, just like we have one called Sunn, prices going through the roof, fanboys moistening their panties over them.
They have a few definable issues, that are all easy fixes, people who know the fixes will buy them up, kind of like Sound Citys.
Quote from: Hemisaurus on October 10, 2011, 08:35:56 AM
Quote from: mawso on October 10, 2011, 03:19:38 AM
Quote from: clockwork green on October 09, 2011, 04:22:47 PM
Will Brugera be the amp of choice of stoner rockers 10 years from now?
will any of em still work?
Yep, I imagine they will. God knows maybe we'll end up with a band called Bugera, just like we have one called Sunn, prices going through the roof, fanboys moistening their panties over them.
They have a few definable issues, that are all easy fixes, people who know the fixes will buy them up, kind of like Sound Citys.
people will be asking for bugera clone, i will be turning them down
Quote from: dunwichamps on October 10, 2011, 07:43:53 AM
You would get more headroom if you cranked post master then if you cranked premaster assuming in both cases you had the same ouput power to speakers. If you crank both amp is dimed so you already going to get pretty clippy. The weber clones have a too much gain than most DR clone. Not that you can just sub a few tubes in and call it a day
That is not the easiest amp to build. its one of their tricker builds.
Ok I get you now. That's what was throwing me off. There's a guy on youtube with a slightly modified 50 watt weber clone and it was way too dirty. Thank you for clarifying.
Sub a 12au7 in V1 and the amp would clean up a ton
The AU isn't too low gain? It completely cut the volume of my 800 when I tried one. There's a hierarchy of tubes you can try, each one getting less and less gainy...
12AX7 - ECC83, 7025, ECC803, E83CC, 6681
12AT7 - ECC81, 6201, 6679
12AY7 - 6072
12AV7 - 5965
12AU7 - ECC82, 5963, 5814, 6189
Quote from: SunnO))) on October 11, 2011, 01:44:04 PM
The AU isn't too low gain? It completely cut the volume of my 800 when I tried one. There's a hierarchy of tubes you can try, each one getting less and less gainy...
12AX7 - ECC83, 7025, ECC803, E83CC, 6681
12AT7 - ECC81, 6201, 6679
12AY7 - 6072
12AV7 - 5965
12AU7 - ECC82, 5963, 5814, 6189
doug from dougs tubes once told me that you shouldn't sub 12au's for something that calls for an AX. i can't dig up the email right now, so i can't give specifics. i found his argument kind of odd (although not without merit, the guy knows his shit) since EVERYONE suggests subbing them.
12au7 or a 12ay7 or whatever you find pleasing. Depends on which position you put it in. that has a lot of effect on the operation.
Nothing wrong with subbing in a 12au7. I do it all the time.
watch out for 12at7s, they can cause excessive grid current and blocking distortion
I'm not saying "wrong" I'm saying it seems like it would inhibit "tone?" There isn't enough signal to be amplified, so you love volume as well as high end? If it's what you're after, killer, but it seems like if you just wanted to be on the verge of dirt, I'd go with the AT or the AY, I know the AU in a valve JR gives you a full knob of clean, but half the volume...
Quote from: SunnO))) on October 11, 2011, 01:59:44 PM
I'm not saying "wrong" I'm saying it seems like it would inhibit "tone?" There isn't enough signal to be amplified, so you love volume as well as high end? If it's what you're after, killer, but it seems like if you just wanted to be on the verge of dirt, I'd go with the AT or the AY, I know the AU in a valve JR gives you a full knob of clean, but half the volume...
I guess it all depends on what your looking for. A bassist may want as much headroom as they can afford. All depend on gain stages, and circuit setup, tube position.
Nothing wrong or right persay.
I wonder if there's any adverse effects in the power section, from having to amplify such a small signal... Extra stress on anything? I guess it can't really be too much different than running your preamp volume on 1. I could see issues from sending too big a signal, but not a too small signal...
Even with a 12au7, most amps would already have enough signal to run the tubes up to clipping. Remember its not just the mu that determines the gain, its the output impedance as well and how that interacts with the next stage load.
hup ;D
Yayyyy get a windsor!
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BALLS!!! The Windsor goes for like $200 used! Will buy. Or maybe I shouldn't? If not why not? I've heard that they clean up okay with different preamp tubes.
How much are those Bugera Plexi clones going for used now?
Good sounding amps. doodoo quality.
Ah.
Peavey Valveking $300 today-
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/peavey-valveking-100-head
Crap? Okay?
edit: Ordered. The MF website tried to change me for shipping but I called and they are shipping it for free. Crafty bastards. Based on what I've read the clean channel should work out nicely with my distortion pedal. If it sounds like shit I'll just send it back. Apparently these are being blown out because Peavey is changing the model and adding some digital stuff or something.
Not a bad amp, I owned a Windsor for a while and had zero issues with it. And I owned a classic 100 head with zero issues that I regret selling. I did always want to try the Penta but never seen one in person!!
The Valveking is still going for $299. I heard that cost on this amp is $329!
Don't just go happy trigger on some nonsense because it's cheaper :-\
You are bound to be disappointed.
I don't remember the valveking too well. Kind of a simple meat n' potatoes, clean and dirty amp without much frill. I'd personally want something more interesting tonally and with much less wattage.
/needsanewbedroomamp
^ get a VHT special 6. I love mine.
When I saw yours I went looking at them online. May have to seek one out in person.
I was disappointed to read that shit-show of a thread regarding the OR15's. The Otu guy on youtube had some gnarly tone, but all other videos were shitty. Jake said they sounded like "high gain ass" so moving on. I probably just need a new headphone multi effects unit with a looper and drum patterns. I'd likely get more use out of that.
Here's one like mine just ootside of Portland. I paid half that price but you could probably talk him down.
http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/msg/4231967624.html
Actually the one I linked top is a Classic 6. Mine is the Special hand wired 6. Some differences.
I could play Bolt Thrower/Morbid Angel on a stock OR15 with all kinds of gain leftover on the knob. It wasn't what I expected, or wanted.
I have a Randall Commander 2x12 in my bedroom. Wish it sounded as cool as it looked.
Quote from: RAGER on December 10, 2013, 05:12:11 PM
Actually the one I linked top is a Classic 6. Mine is the Special hand wired 6. Some differences.
All those little amps confuse me. So many options nowadays. Used to be, you could by some uber expensive hand-wired low watt amp from a select few makers/manufacturers or you could get the valve jr and maybe mod it.
The Valveking verdict- breaks up WAY to much for live use for my current band. Clean channel isn't really that loud. Dirt channel sounds mediocre. The tones overall are not that creamy for a tube amp so I don't want to keep it for recording. Depending on shipping cost(and original shipping costs they may now charge me) I'll either send it back or try to sell it on ebay or craigslist after MF sells out of them or raises their price back up. I read a lot of positive reviews of this amp and that makes me doubt humanity even more than I previously did.
Tubes, biasing, speaker choice, cab choice? There are so many variables. If its a brand new amp, the stock tubes are probably not the greatest. Try dialing it in. If that doesn't work: Peavey :D
Rager is jealous
Quote from: RAGER on December 11, 2013, 11:09:11 PM
Tubes, biasing, speaker choice, cab choice? There are so many variables. If its a brand new amp, the stock tubes are probably not the greatest. Try dialing it in. If that doesn't work: Peavey :D
It may be biased cold and the tubes are probably cheap, I didn't actually look to see what they are. It's okay but there are better budget amps out there. Maybe I'm being a jerk and should keep it for recording but I don't like the idea of buying something brand new and having to upgrade parts to make it sound great. My distortion pedal sings beautiful howling music through certain other tube amps. Those amps also have better preamp distortion sounds too.
So basically I was hoping a budget new Peavey made in China would sound great. Yeah, that's hope for ya. A fool and his
money credit card..., etc.
The Chinese Peavey tube amps have undersized junk iron. I've fixed a ton of the Valve Kings. None of them are right, right out of the box. The Windsor is more stable than the Valve King but I think they are overly bright. And not in a good Hiwatt or Sound City way.