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Title: LP tuners
Post by: bass sic on April 19, 2012, 09:42:41 PM
What would be a good replacement locking tuner for a studio? Hopefully something that would be a direct replacement not requiring drilling.
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: The Shocker on April 19, 2012, 10:18:52 PM
You looked at GFS?  I've bought tuners from there a bunch of times.  Nice quality, nice price.
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: Hemisaurus on April 19, 2012, 10:35:11 PM
(https://www.cbgitty.com/cubecart/images/source/Tuners/31-003-01_Product_Image_1.jpg) (https://www.cbgitty.com/cubecart/6pc-chrome-skull-3l/3r-sealed-gear-guitar-tuners.html)
(https://www.cbgitty.com/cubecart/images/source/Tuners/31-030-01_Product_Image_1.JPG) (https://www.cbgitty.com/cubecart/6pc-black-skull-3l/3r-sealed-gear-guitar-tuners.html)
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: clockwork green on April 19, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
Why do you want locking tuners? Do you break that many strings that you need to change them that much faster? If you use really large strings they may not fit plus they don't offer any tuning benefits like many people think.
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: Hemisaurus on April 19, 2012, 10:42:17 PM
I love when someone asks for something specific, there's always someone ready to argue with them, god love the internet ;D

Oh yeah, skull tuners aren't locking, they just look cool (and are $15 a set) ;D
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: bass sic on April 19, 2012, 11:05:56 PM
No real need for locking ones, I just want to replace the crappy ones I have now. There's too much slop and it's a pain in my ass to tune. The skulls are fookin bad ass. I'll check with GFS also.
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: bass sic on April 19, 2012, 11:29:46 PM
Ya know, GFS is like Walmart. As in every time I ask about guitar parts I'm referred there. They have it all. I need to decide on either fat pat or crunchy pat pickups and get the tuners and pickups in one shot.
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: clockwork green on April 20, 2012, 02:44:45 AM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on April 19, 2012, 10:42:17 PM
I love when someone asks for something specific, there's always someone ready to argue with them, god love the internet ;D

Oh yeah, skull tuners aren't locking, they just look cool (and are $15 a set) ;D
That's a pretty low threshold for an argument.

As for the tuners I've seen tons of posts over the years where people are asking about which locking tuners to get because they go out of tune too much and about a dozen years ago I was one of those people. It took me awhile to figure out that unless you're playing a crappy import pre-1975 your tuners to ably aren't knocking you out of tune...it's usually the nut. I also found that most locking tuners don't allow you to use large strings because the locking mechanism gets in the way. They're really only good for fast string changes. A well set up guitar and a well cut and clean but will keep you in tune about as well as anyone could hope for.
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: Volume on April 20, 2012, 03:42:35 AM
Quote from: clockwork green on April 20, 2012, 02:44:45 AM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on April 19, 2012, 10:42:17 PM
I love when someone asks for something specific, there's always someone ready to argue with them, god love the internet ;D

Oh yeah, skull tuners aren't locking, they just look cool (and are $15 a set) ;D
That's a pretty low threshold for an argument.

As for the tuners I've seen tons of posts over the years where people are asking about which locking tuners to get because they go out of tune too much and about a dozen years ago I was one of those people. It took me awhile to figure out that unless you're playing a crappy import pre-1975 your tuners to ably aren't knocking you out of tune...it's usually the nut. I also found that most locking tuners don't allow you to use large strings because the locking mechanism gets in the way. They're really only good for fast string changes. A well set up guitar and a well cut and clean but will keep you in tune about as well as anyone could hope for.

I love the locking tuners on my reverend and I wish all my guitars had em. Not that I've ever had tuning problems, but I do break a string every now and then and it's sooo much faster and easier to change strings with locking tuners. I don't use that thick strings so I don't know the size of the hole, but .52s fit just fine.
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: The Shocker on April 20, 2012, 08:40:20 AM
I wish all guitars came with the Fender style slotted heads.  Love those, neat and easy. 
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: bass sic on April 20, 2012, 08:49:33 AM
It's not so much my strings ate getting out of tune, it's when I'm tuning there is a ton of slop. Alot of neutral in the tuner before it actually winds the string.
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: Baltar on April 20, 2012, 09:40:59 AM
Grovers or Schallers.  My Grovers lasted over the 17 years I had my Studio, and are probably still going strong.
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: rayinreverse on April 20, 2012, 09:50:26 AM
Good quality timers with a nice ratio will get rid of the slop you speak of. I have a gfs set on my LP and they have performed great. My guitar took a fall and the D string tuner got a little bent but still works like a champ.

Not playing your guitar like a jackhammer will help prevent breakage.
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: RAGER on April 20, 2012, 11:33:18 AM
I had these Sperzel type knockoffs that worked very well on a Studio I had.  Loved those.
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: Danny G on April 20, 2012, 01:47:45 PM
I upgraded the stock Kluson-style tuners on my LP Studio with gold Grovers to match the hardware.

Stays in tune, I don't worry about breaking a tuning key, and my LP looks like it has a full set of gold teeth \m/,
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: Metal and Beer on April 20, 2012, 02:16:23 PM
You sure you're winding the string properly on the post? Stock LP tuners aren't known for a lot of slop in the gear (I forgot if you got a new Studio or used or whatev?)...
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: Hemisaurus on April 20, 2012, 02:20:44 PM
Quote from: Danny G on April 20, 2012, 01:47:45 PM
I upgraded the stock Kluson-style tuners on my LP Studio with gold Grovers to match the hardware.

Stays in tune, I don't worry about breaking a tuning key, and my LP looks like it has a full set of gold teeth \m/,
Oh yeah they have the skulls in gold too ;D

(https://www.cbgitty.com/cubecart/images/source/Tuners/31-003-02_Product_Image_1.JPG)
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: Discö Rice on April 20, 2012, 02:35:05 PM
I didn't really like the chrome or black skulls, but the gold ain't bad. Still a little on the hokey side, but much better.
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: bass sic on April 20, 2012, 04:06:21 PM
Silly me. After close inspection of the "stock" tuners it appears they are in fact Grover's. I wonder if theyre worn out, it's a 93. I get about an eighth turn before the peg starts to move. Fuck it anyway, I'll just get used to it.
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: Hemisaurus on April 20, 2012, 04:34:05 PM
Quote from: Discö Rice on April 20, 2012, 02:35:05 PM
I didn't really like the chrome or black skulls, but the gold ain't bad. Still a little on the hokey side, but much better.
Weird I didn't post the gold cause I thought it was too tacky ;D

I am in no way recommending these, except that they look like they fit an LP, and they're $15, and I thought they looked cool. Possibly they are also crap.

Is it possible to open up a sealed tuner and just tighten up things like it is on an open gear, or are they really sealed ???
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: bass sic on April 20, 2012, 05:01:10 PM
Kinda looks like its all pressed and shit. Sealed housing. I could be wrong, shit I didn't even know what they were.
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: VOLVO))) on April 20, 2012, 07:48:32 PM
Seriously, if anyone buys those skull tuners, I'm going to punch them in the nuts.
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: Discö Rice on April 20, 2012, 07:52:21 PM
I've already started drilling extra holes in the headstock of my Jetstar, just so I can fit more tuners on it. More skulls is better than less skulls. Duh.
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: Hemisaurus on April 20, 2012, 08:02:57 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on April 20, 2012, 07:48:32 PM
Seriously, if anyone buys those skull tuners, I'm going to punch them in the nuts.
You're little girl fists aren't big enough, mate ;)
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: VOLVO))) on April 20, 2012, 08:08:37 PM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on April 20, 2012, 08:02:57 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on April 20, 2012, 07:48:32 PM
Seriously, if anyone buys those skull tuners, I'm going to punch them in the nuts.
You're little girl fists aren't big enough, mate ;)

YOUR****
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: RacerX on April 20, 2012, 08:27:32 PM
Anyone who buys the skull tuners should just stab themselves in the nuts, instead.

It'll be a less emasculating experience. Cheaper, too.
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: Hemisaurus on April 20, 2012, 08:30:36 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on April 20, 2012, 08:08:37 PM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on April 20, 2012, 08:02:57 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on April 20, 2012, 07:48:32 PM
Seriously, if anyone buys those skull tuners, I'm going to punch them in the nuts.
You're little girl fists aren't big enough, mate ;)

YOUR****
No, you are little girl fists  ;)

Seriously, the pointy guitar crowd, yet you don't dig skulls ???
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v27/rutledri/IM000532.jpg)
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: VOLVO))) on April 20, 2012, 08:41:13 PM
That shit is gayer than a two-dollar bill.

Fuck skulls, and leather, and corpse paint.

Get some real tuners, not some gimmicky hot topic mallgoth tuners in gold.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: Hemisaurus on April 20, 2012, 08:57:01 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on April 20, 2012, 08:41:13 PM
That shit is gayer than a two-dollar bill.

Fuck skulls, and leather, and corpse paint.
Oh yeah, so how do you explain this pic on your Facebook profile?

(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/543492_3001088753138_1439903504_32125486_1220831144_n.jpg)
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: VOLVO))) on April 20, 2012, 08:59:10 PM
That Mock is legit.

What model is that Carvin? I'm finna get one.
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: Hemisaurus on April 20, 2012, 09:04:00 PM
Yeah, it says MAN to me

(http://cdn2.iofferphoto.com/img/item/608/768/06/starship-craig-chaquico-carvin-v220-guitar-x100b-amp-ad-08142.jpg)

as in you gotta find one  ;D
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: everdrone on April 20, 2012, 09:11:02 PM
hmm...  Im a little slow, please bear with me - I was wondering this too:

do locking tuners make a difference in keeping a guitar in tune at all?  or are they just for convenience in changing strings. I almost never change my strings, I dont strum hard. I just want my strings to stay in tune - I only use 8 gauge strings and tune to c# just like Iommi does, for my heavy rock music.  only tuners I have are on my relatively new gibson sg standard, and my 2006 Limited Edition Epiphone SG Standard G-400 with EMGs and chrome Grover tuners.

I was thinking about sperzels, but what would be the point?  prolly it is just adjusting the "nut" - neck setup and graphite.  Also, was thinking about getting chrome gibson tuners but that would be just for looks; would I need to drill new holes to install these in my black gibson sg standard?:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/gibson-modern-nickel-machine-heads-with-metal-buttons#review (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/gibson-modern-nickel-machine-heads-with-metal-buttons#review)

(http://static.musiciansfriend.com/derivates/6/001/207/017/DV019_Jpg_Regular_306089.jpg)
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: clockwork green on April 20, 2012, 10:46:31 PM
Most locking tuners simply lock the string in the post so you don't need to wrap it around the post. They will still rotate so that part doesn't lock them in tune like a locking nut on a Floyd Rose.
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: Hemisaurus on April 21, 2012, 06:35:02 AM
I'm with whomever said use the ones that look like mini bass tuners, bass tuners are easy, cut the string of an inch or two from the post, poke it down the middle, fold it over 90 degrees, tighten.

No danglies, though I kind of like danglies, but oh well ;D

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t25/Bubbanov/18NOV242009002.jpg)
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: everdrone on April 21, 2012, 01:46:48 PM
cool thanks :)
Title: Re: LP tuners
Post by: Worthless Willie on April 21, 2012, 03:07:07 PM
Have you tried tightening the little screws on the top of each tuner?