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Title: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: moose23 on April 23, 2012, 02:20:25 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s720x720/534983_417842574893713_240915235919782_1620713_1724662520_n.jpg)

Serial number is Z 0161259 and it's apparently Made in the USA.
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: Mr. Foxen on April 23, 2012, 02:24:49 PM
Isn't the logo totally int he wrong place?
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: Lumpy on April 23, 2012, 02:25:55 PM
Not sure, but I think Z serial #s are Made In Mexico?

If you have the serial #, look it up. There is a database for Fender serial numbers.
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: moose23 on April 23, 2012, 02:34:22 PM
The logo itself wrong but it's in the right place for a '69 thinline: http://www.gear-vault.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Fender-American-Vintage-69-Tele-Thinline.jpg

The pick guard is wrong for a 69 (standard tele pickup) Thinline.

Fender didn't make a Thinline model in the year that corresponds to Z0 = 2000 (MZ is Mexico)

Pretty sure the f-hole is too big.

Shouldn't be binding on the body either.
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: Lumpy on April 23, 2012, 02:35:13 PM
http://www.fender.com/support/articles/u-s-instruments-product-dating (http://www.fender.com/support/articles/u-s-instruments-product-dating)

I was wrong, Z denotes made in USA.
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: moose23 on April 23, 2012, 02:37:18 PM
Quote from: Lumpy on April 23, 2012, 02:35:13 PM
http://www.fender.com/support/articles/u-s-instruments-product-dating (http://www.fender.com/support/articles/u-s-instruments-product-dating)

I was wrong, Z denotes made in USA.

Yeah I replied above there, MZ is mexico
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: Jake on April 23, 2012, 02:54:17 PM
Pickguards on Fender Teles generally follow the body lines along the cutaway much more smoothly/evenly than that one.

Even if that is a model that I'd seen before (I haven't), RED FLAGS for sure.

(http://www.vintage-guitars.se/2002-2004_Fender_Custom_Telecaster_Japan_Q029432_front.jpg)
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: Jake on April 23, 2012, 02:57:23 PM
That being said, it's kind of a cool amalgamation of diff't models of Telecasters. If it plays/sounds okay, and cost next to nothing, I'd actually consider it.
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: VOLVO))) on April 23, 2012, 02:58:00 PM
Neck plate, joint, string ferrules, upclose headstock and back of headstock pictures require for me to know if it's fake.
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: Hemisaurus on April 23, 2012, 03:00:29 PM
Quote from: Jake on April 23, 2012, 02:57:23 PM
That being said, it's kind of a cool amalgamation of diff't models of Telecasters. If it plays/sounds okay, and cost next to nothing, I'd actually consider it.
So +1 ;D

Plug it in, does it make noise, if so it's real ;) Whether it's worth the asking price is another matter.
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: Jake on April 23, 2012, 03:01:22 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on April 23, 2012, 02:58:00 PM
Neck plate, joint, string ferrules, upclose headstock and back of headstock pictures require for me to know if it's fake.

Really? For a model that (most likely) doesn't exist in Fender's product line?

Lightweight.  ;)
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: Hemisaurus on April 23, 2012, 03:04:39 PM
If you Frankenstein a Fender guitar from Fender parts, using different Fender guitars and Fender original parts, and create something that isn't available from Fender, is it a Fender ???
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: moose23 on April 23, 2012, 03:08:07 PM
Exactly Jake.

A friend has it in his shop to sell it for someone else, told him I was 99.999% sure it's a fake from that pic. Asking price is 300 euro, I haven't played it so dunno what it'd be worth just wanted to make sure he knew it was fake. Came here to confirm my thoughts as I'm not much of a tele expert although I did think this one was glaringly obvious.
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: Hemisaurus on April 23, 2012, 03:10:53 PM
but is it made from Fender parts?
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: moose23 on April 23, 2012, 03:13:03 PM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on April 23, 2012, 03:10:53 PM
but is it made from Fender parts?


I highly doubt it. :)
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: Jake on April 23, 2012, 03:22:09 PM
I don't think Fender does a thinline that has binding, so not a Fender body. The logo placement is a bit suspect, so whether or not it's a Fender neck is unknown.

Those are the big two Fender parts I'd be most concerned about being genuine, Hemi.
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: Hemisaurus on April 23, 2012, 03:45:17 PM
So if the body and neck are genuine it's a Fender in your eyes.
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: RacerX on April 23, 2012, 03:55:55 PM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on April 23, 2012, 03:45:17 PM
So if the body and neck are genuine it's a Fender in your eyes.

Yeah, that's EXACTLY what he typed:  "If the body and neck are genuine it's a Fender in my eyes."

::)
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: Corey Y on April 23, 2012, 04:06:23 PM
Burn it, using clean burning propane. If it turns into a fine black ash, it's a genuine Fender. If it burns to a course gray ash, FAKE!
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: Jake on April 23, 2012, 04:13:43 PM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on April 23, 2012, 03:45:17 PM
So if the body and neck are genuine it's a Fender in your eyes.

No, I don't think that. Just that if it were a Fender factory made Telecaster body and Fender factory made Telecaster neck, you'd have a pretty good foundation for calling something a Fender I suppose.

All just my opinion, of course. I'm guilty of calling pretty much anything with that particular slab body style a "Tele" even though Fender holds that trademark. Kinda like I say "Kleenex" instead of "tissue" a lot of times.
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: grimniggzy on April 23, 2012, 04:17:10 PM
Really, IMO the neck on any bolt-on is the most important thing. everything else either doesn't really matter or can be upgraded fairly easily.
Again... IMO.
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: Lumpy on April 23, 2012, 04:31:47 PM
Partscaster.
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: Baltar on April 23, 2012, 05:24:50 PM
Yeah uh, Dweezil has a Strat that Hendrix gave his dad and it's had like 3 necks on it, couple different pickguards, and electronics and pick-up swaps.  'Course the work was all done by masters in the Fender Custom Shop. 
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: moose23 on April 23, 2012, 06:12:16 PM
Quote from: Lumpy on April 23, 2012, 04:31:47 PM
Partscaster.

that what I'd label it if I was selling an actual partscaster but this ain't even that
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: kirky on April 23, 2012, 06:33:40 PM
that headstock shape looks off to me....
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: Discö Rice on April 23, 2012, 07:42:23 PM
That headstock ain't even close.

https://www.google.com/search?q=telecaster+headstock&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=D1T&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvnsfd&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=VOiVT-KlBsqrrAevm_HODQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=629&sei=YeiVT7bjB9HjrAejv9joDQ
Title: Re: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: VOLVO))) on April 23, 2012, 09:18:57 PM
Im a certified guitar center employee and this was Eric Johnson's telecastro, he had it custom made by Leo Fender using processing only known to himself


Ok?

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Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: grimniggzy on April 23, 2012, 10:20:13 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: apekillman on April 24, 2012, 11:46:00 PM
Definitely fake! It only has 5 strings!
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: Jake on April 25, 2012, 12:29:35 PM
And also...

They traced the call and THEY'RE CALLING FROM THE UPSTAIRS PHONE!!!
Title: Re: Can anyone confirm this is a fake for me?
Post by: Hemisaurus on April 25, 2012, 02:36:05 PM
I think the fact the spelt it Fneder should have been your first clue ;)