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Title: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: deleted account on June 04, 2013, 03:32:03 AM
is there any other kind?  and the bigger they are- hey, let's tack on another $75!

recently put a center crack in my 19 after like 4 years which is Guiness for me.  been playing a 21 crash that's got a Jaws-size chunk out of it for as long as I can remember.

fuck Guitar Swindle, help me break the extortion cycle!  Bay Area fuckers:  HELP
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: Mr. Foxen on June 04, 2013, 07:57:24 AM
Acoustic instruments where you are fussy about how they sound is an expensive game. Go electronic so you have EQ if you wanna be cheap.

http://www.mattnolancustomcymbals.com/
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: natehusky on June 04, 2013, 09:40:08 AM
I recently lost my 2002 ride . Surprisingly it's the first cymbal I wrecked on my own . Wanted to go bigger but I think I'm just going to replace it for now , I have to get rid of this ass sounding zildjian . Guess I'm just gonna replace it with another 20. Because that shit gets expensive quick
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: deleted account on June 04, 2013, 12:29:54 PM
I once bought a used 2002 off ebay.  looked great, sounded great.  broke it in 2 practices
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: deleted account on June 04, 2013, 12:39:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on June 04, 2013, 07:57:24 AM
Acoustic instruments where you are fussy about how they sound is an expensive game. Go electronic so you have EQ if you wanna be cheap.

http://www.mattnolancustomcymbals.com/

I don't wanna be cheap, I wanna be reasonable.  hell, I'll even settle for the ballpark of reasonable.  this shit's out of fucking control. 

we're talking about shit that breaks.  REGULARLY.  if they were indestructible, I'd have no problem paying $500-700 per
Title: Re: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: VOLVO))) on June 04, 2013, 12:47:38 PM
Ive been playing the same 21 inch Rock ride/20 inch medium crash/17 rock crash and set of new beats my entire time playing. It isnt about how hard you hit, it's how you hit it. I have my cymbals set up dead flat, that way you only hit the edges. Full stick hits are what kills cymbals. I play 2b sticks, and occasionally those ridiculous small baseball bat marching sticks. Get some good felts, or those synthetic rubber deals.

Cost? All I can tell you is scour pawn shops and craigslist. The only thing about guitar center is you can get that pro coverage deal, and they replace it no question asked.
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: deleted account on June 04, 2013, 03:32:33 PM
"It isnt about how hard you hit, it's how you hit it. I have my cymbals set up dead flat, that way you only hit the edges. Full stick hits are what kills cymbals."

what about their altitude in relation to your shoulders?  and what about those repeat hits, when you've got no choice but to hit it on the up-wobble or down-wobble on that second hit?
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: VOLVO))) on June 04, 2013, 07:23:58 PM
I keep mine neck level, and dig with the meat of the stick, I also don't go straight at them, I make swiping passes on stuff like that.
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: deleted account on June 04, 2013, 07:33:45 PM
me too on the level.  I pretty much go straight at 'em for the most part, unless I gotta hit something else hella quick right before or after.  heart of the stick at a 45 degree angle to the edge
Title: Re: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: VOLVO))) on June 04, 2013, 08:03:23 PM
Im not entirely sure if style matters but I spent a long time analyzing where my sticks were hitting on my heads, and refined that movement. I also take note of where the wear is, or dents, and adjust my angle accordingly on the kit. Im sort of neurotic about it, but it saves me money in the long run.
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: Discö Rice on June 06, 2013, 06:30:21 PM
Tell me about it. I have to replace my $450 ride. I can't even think about it right now. :(
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: Pissy on June 07, 2013, 05:28:51 PM
You guys anti-Zildjian?  The only reason I ask is way back when, the Platinum series were pretty damn solid.  They sounded good (at least during the mid 90's) and never cracked on our old drummer, who had a history of breaking cymbals.

That being said, is breaking cymbals like breaking strings?  As in, when you're younger you tend to break them more often?  When I was a wee lad I broke bass strings because of how hard I plucked them.  Never happens anymore, I imagine because of how I go about it.

If it works that way, then maybe go to the younger bands and ask them if they've heard tell of some cymbal that hold up well.  Chances are they'll sound like shit, but maybe....
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: deleted account on June 07, 2013, 05:46:35 PM
I think I hit as hard as when I was breakin' 'em all the time, maybe I'm hitting at a better angle?  who knows.  I like Zildjians, some series are better than others.  I'm not too picky, so long as it's not all clangy
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: Discö Rice on June 08, 2013, 02:20:43 PM
I'm not anti-Zildjian, I'm just in love with a lot of things Paiste makes. I also love Wuhan china cymbals and some of Hammerax's offerings (the Hellbells, specifically). Zildjian (and Sabian, I guess), generally speaking, doesn't make the cymbals I want in the sizes I want. If they did, brand loyalty wouldn't stop me from purchasing their products.
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: Discö Rice on June 08, 2013, 02:33:50 PM
My top hi-hat cymbal is a 20" Zildjian K Custom Dry Ride. It works very well in that capacity.
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: neighbor664 on June 09, 2013, 08:02:52 AM
Can someone explain to me how an ass cymbal works? How is an ass cymbal different from other cymbals and why are they so expensive? Thanks.
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: Jake on June 09, 2013, 09:48:22 AM
They are to be played with butt bongos.
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: RacerX on June 09, 2013, 05:36:59 PM
If you think ass cymbals are expensive, try pricing some butt bongos.
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: deleted account on June 10, 2013, 08:23:20 PM
oh, the peanut gallery welcome wagon has arrived!  please, join us.  take a load off and warm your hands by the fire that is my exasperation
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: natehusky on June 11, 2013, 08:32:34 AM
Yesterday I pulled the trigger & got another 2002 ride . Got the hook up from Matt ( themusketking on here) also went ahead & got the 3 year extended warranty . Sounds so good.
Title: Re: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: VOLVO))) on June 11, 2013, 09:23:21 AM
I don't know how you move those 20 inch hats, Gabe.

What hihat stand can hold up a 20 inch dry ride?
Title: Re: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: Discö Rice on June 12, 2013, 01:54:27 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on June 11, 2013, 09:23:21 AM
I don't know how you move those 20 inch hats, Gabe.

What hihat stand can hold up a 20 inch dry ride?



The literal answer:
;) Haha TWO 20" rides, and I use a two-legged Tama Iron Cobra hi-hat stand. Works very well. As for playing that thing: a 13" set of New Beats it is definitely not, but, if you can wake up a 20" heavy crash, 20" hats aren't all that different. The right combination of cymbals of course makes all the difference. Just make sure to put the lighter one on top. Long sticks blah blah.

It's definitely work. My arms felt every bit of it. I didn't originally plan to go that big, though. I had lost my ultra-badass set of 14" hats to a pawn shop, was broke, and had two extra 20" cymbals laying around, and had just joined my last band so I needed something in a hurry. The increased weight and more sluggish feel took a while to get used to, but I dig it now. It's damn loud, and the tone is boner-inducing. I could probably be just as happy (happier?) with a super heavy set of 17 or 18 inch hats, honestly, but I can't even think about that until something breaks (knock on wood).
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: JemDooM on June 12, 2013, 02:50:25 PM
I adore cymbals even though I don't play, they're all shiny and expensive and well made, I got a paiste 20" power ride for my man last year and had so much fun choosing it, when I picked it up that was the first time I'd seen a nice big quality cymbal like that close up, beautiful....

If only they were indestructible!
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: Headshrinker on August 03, 2013, 11:31:47 AM
Thus far, I haven't broken any cymbals. I'd be devastated, if I did. They are difficult to replace and... indeed... costly.

My latest acquisition:

(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n607/Rupsje70/Pearl/Zildjian-K-Ride-4_zps7d351ea5.jpg) (http://s1142.photobucket.com/user/Rupsje70/media/Pearl/Zildjian-K-Ride-4_zps7d351ea5.jpg.html)

My first 'top quality cymbal' (bought it 3rd/4th-hand, of course). And, yes, it sounds terrific and should last forever. The only downside is that it makes me lust after more big ('matching') pies.
Title: Re: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: mutantcolors on August 04, 2013, 11:41:09 AM
Quote from: SunnO))) on June 04, 2013, 12:47:38 PM
I have my cymbals set up dead flat, that way you only hit the edges. Full stick hits are what kills cymbals.
Most common set up to bust cymbals, really. Glance off them, do NOT strike the edge directly.

And here's a mind fuck for ya that your brain will immediately reject as false: Lighter cymbals are more flexible and thus less prone to breakage.
Title: Re: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: VOLVO))) on August 04, 2013, 12:49:38 PM
I have never broken one -shrug-

Sorry for bailing on you last night, sick child!
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: mutantcolors on August 05, 2013, 05:34:16 AM
Well anyway, the best thing I ever did from my sound was move to thin crashes. Big size, light weight.

That's just me.
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: deleted account on August 05, 2013, 12:29:34 PM
got 3 20" rides (one new) and a 21" ride from Guitar Swindle for $436 including 2-year extended replacement swindle on the new one.  rides are officially the new crashes
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: RacerX on August 05, 2013, 12:31:52 PM
Quote from: priest on August 05, 2013, 12:29:34 PM
got 3 20" rides (one new) and a 21" ride from Guitar Swindle..

And you made fun of me for patronizing Taco Bell? Poser.
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: RAGER on August 05, 2013, 01:01:44 PM
Dude you don't go to taco bell.  no way.  I mean even up here there's Mex joints everywhere.  I can only imagine what it's like there.  I'm surprised they haven;t outlawed Taco Bells.
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: deleted account on August 05, 2013, 01:19:19 PM
nothing wrong with patronizing Taco Bells, that is, unless you're a vegan...

what does that have to do with my patronizing Guitar Swindle?  I don't like it, but what am I supposed to do, play trash can lids?
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: RAGER on August 05, 2013, 01:27:47 PM
Animal did.  you gotta problem with Muppets or something?
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: deleted account on August 05, 2013, 01:43:38 PM
Waste Management Surplus doesn't offer a replacement warranty
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: RacerX on August 05, 2013, 01:44:12 PM
Quote from: priest on August 05, 2013, 01:19:19 PM
nothing wrong with patronizing Taco Bells, that is, unless you're a vegan...

The 7-layer burrito without cheese & sour cream is cheap, fast, and contains no animal products. I eat about 4 of 'em a year, so Yum Foods isn't exactly getting rich off me. How much moolah did you hand over to WalGuitarMartCenter?


Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: deleted account on August 05, 2013, 01:57:02 PM
"The 7-layer burrito without cheese & sour cream is cheap, fast, and contains no animal products."

having worked the majority of my way through the second 4 years of college at Taco Bell, I can assure you that there is enough cross-contamination going on on that flunky production line to ensure those cheeseless, cremaless 7 layers contained animal products.  and isn't TB in cahoots with KFC?

I patronize Best Music Co. in downtown Oakland almost exclusively, but they don't exactly specialize in non-expensive ass cymbals.  so I don't feel the least bit guilty about an occasional Guitar Swindle splurge in that dept. if I got no other reasonable options
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: franksnbeans on August 05, 2013, 02:00:27 PM
Quote from: priest on August 05, 2013, 01:57:02 PM
"The 7-layer burrito without cheese & sour cream is cheap, fast, and contains no animal products."

having worked the majority of my way through the second 4 years of college at Taco Bell, I can assure you that there is enough cross-contamination going on on that flunky production line to ensure those cheeseless, cremaless 7 layers contained animal products.  and isn't TB in cahoots with KFC?

I patronize Best Music Co. in downtown Oakland almost exclusively, but they don't exactly specialize in non-expensive ass cymbals.  so I don't feel the least bit guilty about an occasional Guitar Swindle splurge in that dept. if I got no other reasonable options

Priest, best music will try to match prices if you tell them it's cheaper at guitar center.  Those guys no what it's like.
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: deleted account on August 05, 2013, 02:02:11 PM
that's only on new shit though
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: franksnbeans on August 05, 2013, 02:11:55 PM
Tell them there's rust on it, and ask them if they like warehousing shit or would they like to get rid of this crap?
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: deleted account on August 05, 2013, 02:21:32 PM
does bronze rust?
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: franksnbeans on August 05, 2013, 02:31:29 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: mutantcolors on August 06, 2013, 10:47:01 AM
Only the finest cymbals contain iron. Only the finest.
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: deleted account on August 06, 2013, 12:39:00 PM
^^that is sarcasm, frankie^^
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: RacerX on August 06, 2013, 12:41:04 PM
Why don't you just use tortillas?
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: franksnbeans on August 06, 2013, 04:18:54 PM
oh, ok.  ::)
Title: Re: expensive ass cymbals
Post by: deleted account on August 06, 2013, 09:52:27 PM
Quote from: RacerX on August 06, 2013, 12:41:04 PM
Why don't you just use tortillas?

cuz I eat 'em quicker'n I can hit 'em?