a little showmanship can be good sometimes right? I usually want people to be entertained and have a good time. I think thats part of my job when Im playing a bar or party. heres a really easy trick for guitarists and basssist to add a little pizzazz and visual candy to their performance. Its super easy but people react to it like your some kind of super shredder or something. it adds some fun sometimes thats all. I would recommend NOT doing this at every show tho...just once in a while.
okay, we can all pretty much play a standard blues scale solo with our eyes closed or even one handed yes?
grab a big long stretchy note, then while your stretchin it, hoist your guitar up on top of your shoulder, turn around and resume the solo.
Unless you are really brave, stay in one position on the neck solo for a while, grab a bendy note to bring the guitar back down to normal position again...then bask in the glory. :D
so easy , try it.
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Easy trick thread? pedal steel on guitar tricks! I lied about the video. My phone camera blows compared to the old one : \
Easy trick: Instead of learning to play guitar, buy loads of amps and cabs, and use them all at once at gigs.
Quote from: Chovie D on August 13, 2013, 09:46:42 AM
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But that's how I play my guitar all the time.
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on August 13, 2013, 11:34:40 AM
Easy trick: Instead of learning to play guitar, buy loads of amps and cabs, and use them all at once at gigs.
Hey don't tell everyone my secret!!
Quote from: Jake on August 13, 2013, 11:46:09 AM
Quote from: Chovie D on August 13, 2013, 09:46:42 AM
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But that's how I play my guitar all the time.
then for you I have a different trick....once in a while while your soloing up on your sholder behind your head, grab a stretchy note and flip the guitar down and hold it over your gunt area and solo for a while there.....this will freak people the fuck oot!
I'm a huge fan of the Steve Harris "rocking out with foot on wedge monitor" move.
Here's a sneaky one.
1)Form a "band" with friends.
2)write some "songs"
3)"practice" twice a week
4)book a "gig" with a "promoter"
5) spend a few minutes every week "promoting"
6)load up all your band gear and move it to an entirely different building
Practice with free beer!
I was thinking about passing out joints before our shows since it's 1. Legal here now, and 2. Makes our music more tolerable.
Thoughts?
Could be cool, but could also be quite expensive, depending upon how much/what quality of weed you wanna give away.
Quote from: RacerX on August 13, 2013, 01:13:48 PM
Could be cool, but could also be quite expensive, depending upon how much/what quality of weed you wanna give away.
Yeah but probably not much more wasteful than spending thousands of dollars on music equipment and a lifetime of personal and financial sacrifice just to perform to a handful of friends.
Quote from: neighbor664 on August 13, 2013, 01:21:38 PM
Quote from: RacerX on August 13, 2013, 01:13:48 PM
Could be cool, but could also be quite expensive, depending upon how much/what quality of weed you wanna give away.
Yeah but probably not much more wasteful than spending thousands of dollars on music equipment and a lifetime of personal and financial sacrifice just to perform to a handful of friends.
Except that it would come ON TOP OF spending thousands of dollars on music equipment and a lifetime of personal and financial sacrifice just to perform to a handful of friends. It's also quite likely that the crowd size might increase once the word got out...
Because you want all of your efforts to culminate into supporting a crowd full of weed mooches?
Quote from: neighbor664 on August 13, 2013, 01:46:29 PM
Because you want all of your efforts to culminate into supporting a crowd full of weed mooches?
Hey, this weed giveaway wasn't my idea—I was just pointing out the expense angle. Then again, I'm not particularly bitter about having spent thousands of dollars on music equipment and a lifetime of personal and financial sacrifice just to perform to a handful of friends. I still enjoy playing just for playing's sake. I enjoy it more ON WEED, but still...
I like to share. Both marijuana and my own brand of ear-raping cacophony.
But you wiseasses raise excellent points. Maybe there should just be a joint in each 7" or something. That might make it illegal though.
or a 7" joint
Quote from: Jake on August 13, 2013, 01:57:18 PM
I like to share. Both marijuana and my own brand of ear-raping cacophony.
But you wiseasses raise excellent points. Maybe there should just be a joint in each 7" or something. That might make it illegal though.
Mebbe a joint with each T-Shirt?
Between this and the band name thread, I'm starting to feel like this place just isn't for me anymore. What's next? Adding cover songs for the ladies to dance during gigs? Do's and don'ts of stage outfits? Strategic fan placement on stage for proper hair in the wind look? Tips on distressing jeans? Hair styling tips and techniques?
If you want to impress most people in a truly profound way, try coming up with a compelling artistic statement. That can certainly have components of other senses besides sound but all of this crap isn't interesting and it isn't even funny.
Quote from: clockwork green on August 13, 2013, 02:22:38 PM
Between this and the band name thread, I'm starting to feel like this place just isn't for me anymore. What's next? Adding cover songs for the ladies to dance during gigs? Do's and don'ts of stage outfits? Strategic fan placement on stage for proper hair in the wind look? Tips on distressing jeans? Hair styling tips and techniques?
If you want to impress most people in a truly profound way, try coming up with a compelling artistic statement. That can certainly have components of other senses besides sound but all of this crap isn't interesting and it isn't even funny.
::)
wheres your compelling artistic statement then?
what a stick in the mud . take yourself kind of seriously dont ya? :D\
jesus fucking christ man, I try and post something light and fun and I get this?
Music is supposed to be FUN, not uptight pretensious horseshit and comparing dick sizes. (unless thats your thing).
I guess a "can I use a bass amp for guiatr thread would a been better for this place?"
fucking hell, man this place has changed, maybe IM the one who shouldnt post anymore. laterz.
Quote from: clockwork green on August 13, 2013, 02:22:38 PM
Between this and the band name thread, I'm starting to feel like this place just isn't for me anymore. What's next? Adding cover songs for the ladies to dance during gigs? Do's and don'ts of stage outfits? Strategic fan placement on stage for proper hair in the wind look? Tips on distressing jeans? Hair styling tips and techniques?
If you want to impress most people in a truly profound way, try coming up with a compelling artistic statement. That can certainly have components of other senses besides sound but all of this crap isn't interesting and it isn't even funny.
Don't be a dick. Stage presence can make a "profound artistic statement" even more exciting. I've seen the OP perform live, and it worked just like that. At least,
I consider "Truckstop" to be a compelling artistic statement; you may not.
Laugh a little, ya cranky douchenozzle.
(http://www.strat-talk.com/forum/attachments/stratocaster-discussion-forum/75836d1375209002-srv-1-neck-mythbusting-stevie-ray-vaughan-1983-guitar-behind-head-corbis-460-100-460-70.jpg)
(http://themusicsover.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/tbone_walker_splits_30.jpg)
its an old and easy trick, commonly used.
this guy never made a compelling artistic statement AND he played covers so the ladies could dance.
fuck him!
(http://www.nme.com/images/gallery/JimiHendrixPA040511.jpg)
::)
Panderers. One should always play guitar seated, like Robert Fripp.
(http://www.cybergeo.com/music/gmen/youngfripp1.gif)
Simple, elegant...
AND RATHER UNEXCITING TO WATCH LIVE.
Quote from: Chovie D on August 13, 2013, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: clockwork green on August 13, 2013, 02:22:38 PM
Between this and the band name thread, I'm starting to feel like this place just isn't for me anymore. What's next? Adding cover songs for the ladies to dance during gigs? Do's and don'ts of stage outfits? Strategic fan placement on stage for proper hair in the wind look? Tips on distressing jeans? Hair styling tips and techniques?
If you want to impress most people in a truly profound way, try coming up with a compelling artistic statement. That can certainly have components of other senses besides sound but all of this crap isn't interesting and it isn't even funny.
::)
wheres your compelling artistic statement then?
what a stick in the mud . take yourself kind of seriously dont ya? :D\
jesus fucking christ man, I try and post something light and fun and I get this?
Music is supposed to be FUN, not uptight pretensious horseshit and comparing dick sizes. (unless thats your thing).
I guess a "can I use a bass amp for guiatr thread would a been better for this place?"
fucking hell, man this place has changed, maybe IM the one who shouldnt post anymore. laterz.
Hell yeah! A band could be playing the greatest music in the world, but if their just gonna stand there like a statue, I'd rather just sit in the cheaper beer comfort of my own home and listen. Chuck Berry, Angus Young, Greg Ginn, EVH, Jimi...those dudes ripped AND entertained. It ain't the fuckin symphony.
Thanks Zayus and Racer, im glad someone understands
THERE IS NO FUN ALLOWED.
I don't even know what to say to your statement, Josh. Perhaps you're just jaded? I'm pretty sure we beat the fuck out of every topic involving heavy music.
What do YOU want to talk about?
Quote from: SunnO))) on August 13, 2013, 04:24:59 PM
THERE IS NO FUN ALLOWED.
I don't even know what to say to your statement, Josh. Perhaps you're just jaded?
Or just really uncoordinated?
Quote from: clockwork green on August 13, 2013, 02:22:38 PM
Between this and the band name thread, I'm starting to feel like this place just isn't for me anymore. What's next? Adding cover songs for the ladies to dance during gigs? Do's and don'ts of stage outfits? Strategic fan placement on stage for proper hair in the wind look? Tips on distressing jeans? Hair styling tips and techniques?
If you want to impress most people in a truly profound way, try coming up with a compelling artistic statement. That can certainly have components of other senses besides sound but all of this crap isn't interesting and it isn't even funny.
Bye now.
btw the band name thread was just a transparent (or so I thought) attempt to get some good suggestions for a band name from you all. and you did come up with some good ones....even tho Im still kinda lookin. sorry for any offense that thread may have given.
Quote from: Dr.Zayus on August 13, 2013, 03:44:26 PM
Quote from: Chovie D on August 13, 2013, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: clockwork green on August 13, 2013, 02:22:38 PM
Between this and the band name thread, I'm starting to feel like this place just isn't for me anymore. What's next? Adding cover songs for the ladies to dance during gigs? Do's and don'ts of stage outfits? Strategic fan placement on stage for proper hair in the wind look? Tips on distressing jeans? Hair styling tips and techniques?
If you want to impress most people in a truly profound way, try coming up with a compelling artistic statement. That can certainly have components of other senses besides sound but all of this crap isn't interesting and it isn't even funny.
::)
wheres your compelling artistic statement then?
what a stick in the mud . take yourself kind of seriously dont ya? :D\
jesus fucking christ man, I try and post something light and fun and I get this?
Music is supposed to be FUN, not uptight pretensious horseshit and comparing dick sizes. (unless thats your thing).
I guess a "can I use a bass amp for guiatr thread would a been better for this place?"
fucking hell, man this place has changed, maybe IM the one who shouldnt post anymore. laterz.
Hell yeah! A band could be playing the greatest music in the world, but if their just gonna stand there like a statue, I'd rather just sit in the cheaper beer comfort of my own home and listen. Chuck Berry, Angus Young, Greg Ginn, EVH, Jimi...those dudes ripped AND entertained. It ain't the fuckin symphony.
Troof!
I tried this a few times back in the day. More reaction from men than the chicks I had hoped would notice.
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Heh, a buddy of mine had a zucchini in foil down his pants for a gig ages ago. After their set he ditched it in the urinal. A bit later the drummer's dad walks out of the gents exclaiming "Someone left a cucumber in the urinal!" He was told it was a zucchini, to which he replied "Well, whatever it is, it tasted fuckin awful." Best quote of the night.
Quote from: clockwork green on August 13, 2013, 02:22:38 PM
Between this and the band name thread, I'm starting to feel like this place just isn't for me anymore. What's next? Adding cover songs for the ladies to dance during gigs? Do's and don'ts of stage outfits? Strategic fan placement on stage for proper hair in the wind look? Tips on distressing jeans? Hair styling tips and techniques?
If you want to impress most people in a truly profound way, try coming up with a compelling artistic statement. That can certainly have components of other senses besides sound but all of this crap isn't interesting and it isn't even funny.
I'm kinda surprised you would unload like that. You've been around long enough to know that on the spectrum of topics, the ones you referenced are
nowhere near the bottom of the barrel. No even close...no sir. And the other fellas make a solid point in saying that if the ebb and flow of conversation in the Jam Room is not satisfying your interests, take it upon yourself to elevate the dialogue to include things that do.
I, myself, am only here to seek the validation that I desperately need via my photobucket full of gear pics. So I wouldn't dream of shitting on another man's thread who is clearly only having some lighthearted fun.
I'd probably drop my guitar behind me if I tried that.
When I'm not singing I make an effort to at least nod my head to the riffs when we play live. I've also found out that if I rock out too much the fingers on my fretting hand move enough to make sustained chords waver or die prematurely.
As a show goer I like to see some movement on stage but if I'm not into the music it doesn't help at all.
Might be a good discussion -- is it more important to perform with energy, or more important to hit every note perfectly?
How did Angus Young seem to do both?
I have no idea how some people run and jump around without sounding like shit. It's pretty amazing.
I use movement as extra vibrato. It is a form of limb independence, in my opinion.
I wanted to post some easy stuff I never see guitarists doing, but that other poeple especially non musicians think is amazing, kinda like the fake pedal steel lick I posted a year ago. Other topics couldve been "rakes: why the hell dont you know about them and use them?"
"Octaves in solos: why the hell dont I use them?" etc.
last night i had the recurring nightmare where im under pressure to pack up all my gear as quickly as possible and escape the venue.
i have this one all the time. :(
Tapping is a really good trick people think is hard/amazing. Also, hammer on and pulling off riffs. I do it all the time when my picking hand is tired.
Quote from: neighbor664 on August 13, 2013, 01:21:38 PM
Quote from: RacerX on August 13, 2013, 01:13:48 PM
Could be cool, but could also be quite expensive, depending upon how much/what quality of weed you wanna give away.
Yeah but probably not much more wasteful than spending thousands of dollars on music equipment and a lifetime of personal and financial sacrifice just to perform to a handful of friends.
Well when you put it that way...
Also, the thing Zakk Wylde does where he starts doing a fast trill between the open G string and some nearby fret and while that's going slowly and lightly slide your picking hand's pinky down the string starting in between the pickups and ending near the start of the fretboard. It just creates a series of natural harmonics overlayed on the tempo of the trill. Looks cool, sounds cool, easy to do.
This is an incredibly awkward video I found explaining it, but he does do it.
what aboot the ever popular pick slide? I use it often.
As an artistic statement?
Other than new gear threads when was the last time a thread on here made you think? I've tried and failed and that's fine, my threads were probably not that interesting to anyone outside of me and I can't expect to appeal to others needs. The problem I have with this is thread is that it's about being contrived. Would any of you be at all impressed by putting a guitar behind your head? Of course not, so why do you insult your audience with prefabricated, choreography? When Greg Ginn or Jimi Hendrix did it, it's because they were having an emotional explosion. In interviews near the end, Jimi said how he hated smashing guitars because the audience made it feel like an obligation...that's not fucking art. Expressing who you are in a deeply emotional way is art. It doesn't all have to be brooding, dark, intellectual or any of that...you can be a happy spazz but I hate watching "performers" and performers choreograph shit out for a manipulated effect on the audience. I personally want the artist to do their thing and let me come up with own reactions but I'm obviously in the minority. SRV and T-Bone are great musicians but for my personal interests I don't feel at all inspired by them.
I was thinking about this the other day. Some people get into music because they want to perform and be the center of attention. They feed off of the spectacle. Many of these folks go into acting but a handful make it into music. They like the theatrics, putting on a big show and that sort of thing...KISS, Meatloaf etc. I hate this shit beyond belief. Other folks get into music because they love music and they want to be apart of the culture of music and they're just happy to be in a band and playing whatever. A lot of these guys go into cover bands or bands that sounds just like other stuff. I've known a lot of these folks and they seem quite happy and satisfied. Some of them even really make good music but it's rarely going to be much different things you've heard before and they're often at their most creative when they're combining two or more different things together (which is never a bad idea). The third type are often emotionally stunted people that have few options for expression. These folks are often quiet and awkward around others, bottle up their emotions and use their music, writing, painting or whatever as their only chance to actually live and feel life. These are the people I've always personally gravitated towards. Just like how my sister can spot a drug dealer in any neighborhood in seconds while I can't, I can spot these artists usually pretty quickly. There's a desperation and deadly seriousness in what they do. They might still write happy music (though usually not) but either way it's a very personal and serious thing to them. It's not that music isn't important the other types but the level of desperation is higher in type 3 because there is no other outlet. Listening isn't good enough, watching a performance isn't good enough and even switching art forms doesn't work either.
I can have fun with music but the shit around here has just gotten monotone with moronic threads. How many regulars are we down to now? It's not because we're out of shit to talk about, there are other boards that still have interesting threads.
Fuck it...I'm rambling and I really just don't even care anymore. Have fun with the dick jokes and sweet dance moves.
"Other than new gear threads when was the last time a thread on here made you think? I've tried and failed and that's fine, my threads were probably not that interesting to anyone outside of me and I can't expect to appeal to others needs. The problem I have with this is thread is that it's about being contrived. Would any of you be at all impressed by putting a guitar behind your head? Of course not, so why do you insult your audience with prefabricated, choreography? When Greg Ginn or Jimi Hendrix did it, it's because they were having an emotional explosion. In interviews near the end, Jimi said how he hated smashing guitars because the audience made it feel like an obligation...that's not fucking art. Expressing who you are in a deeply emotional way is art. It doesn't all have to be brooding, dark, intellectual or any of that...you can be a happy spazz but I hate watching "performers" and performers choreograph shit out for a manipulated effect on the audience. I personally want the artist to do their thing and let me come up with own reactions but I'm obviously in the minority. SRV and T-Bone are great musicians but for my personal interests I don't feel at all inspired by them.
I was thinking about this the other day. Some people get into music because they want to perform and be the center of attention. They feed off of the spectacle. Many of these folks go into acting but a handful make it into music. They like the theatrics, putting on a big show and that sort of thing...KISS, Meatloaf etc. I hate this shit beyond belief. Other folks get into music because they love music and they want to be apart of the culture of music and they're just happy to be in a band and playing whatever. A lot of these guys go into cover bands or bands that sounds just like other stuff. I've known a lot of these folks and they seem quite happy and satisfied. Some of them even really make good music but it's rarely going to be much different things you've heard before and they're often at their most creative when they're combining two or more different things together (which is never a bad idea). The third type are often emotionally stunted people that have few options for expression. These folks are often quiet and awkward around others, bottle up their emotions and use their music, writing, painting or whatever as their only chance to actually live and feel life. These are the people I've always personally gravitated towards. Just like how my sister can spot a drug dealer in any neighborhood in seconds while I can't, I can spot these artists usually pretty quickly. There's a desperation and deadly seriousness in what they do. They might still write happy music (though usually not) but either way it's a very personal and serious thing to them. It's not that music isn't important the other types but the level of desperation is higher in type 3 because there is no other outlet. Listening isn't good enough, watching a performance isn't good enough and even switching art forms doesn't work either.
I can have fun with music but the shit around here has just gotten monotone with moronic threads. How many regulars are we down to now? It's not because we're out of shit to talk about, there are other boards that still have interesting threads.
Fuck it...I'm rambling and I really just don't even care anymore. Have fun with the dick jokes and sweet dance moves."
I actually liked you post.
Thanks
Quote from: clockwork green on August 14, 2013, 03:48:53 PM
Other than new gear threads when was the last time a thread on here made you think? I've tried and failed and that's fine, my threads were probably not that interesting to anyone outside of me and I can't expect to appeal to others needs. The problem I have with this is thread is that it's about being contrived. Would any of you be at all impressed by putting a guitar behind your head? Of course not, so why do you insult your audience with prefabricated, choreography? When Greg Ginn or Jimi Hendrix did it, it's because they were having an emotional explosion. In interviews near the end, Jimi said how he hated smashing guitars because the audience made it feel like an obligation...that's not fucking art. Expressing who you are in a deeply emotional way is art. It doesn't all have to be brooding, dark, intellectual or any of that...you can be a happy spazz but I hate watching "performers" and performers choreograph shit out for a manipulated effect on the audience. I personally want the artist to do their thing and let me come up with own reactions but I'm obviously in the minority. SRV and T-Bone are great musicians but for my personal interests I don't feel at all inspired by them.
I was thinking about this the other day. Some people get into music because they want to perform and be the center of attention. They feed off of the spectacle. Many of these folks go into acting but a handful make it into music. They like the theatrics, putting on a big show and that sort of thing...KISS, Meatloaf etc. I hate this shit beyond belief. Other folks get into music because they love music and they want to be apart of the culture of music and they're just happy to be in a band and playing whatever. A lot of these guys go into cover bands or bands that sounds just like other stuff. I've known a lot of these folks and they seem quite happy and satisfied. Some of them even really make good music but it's rarely going to be much different things you've heard before and they're often at their most creative when they're combining two or more different things together (which is never a bad idea). The third type are often emotionally stunted people that have few options for expression. These folks are often quiet and awkward around others, bottle up their emotions and use their music, writing, painting or whatever as their only chance to actually live and feel life. These are the people I've always personally gravitated towards. Just like how my sister can spot a drug dealer in any neighborhood in seconds while I can't, I can spot these artists usually pretty quickly. There's a desperation and deadly seriousness in what they do. They might still write happy music (though usually not) but either way it's a very personal and serious thing to them. It's not that music isn't important the other types but the level of desperation is higher in type 3 because there is no other outlet. Listening isn't good enough, watching a performance isn't good enough and even switching art forms doesn't work either.
I can have fun with music but the shit around here has just gotten monotone with moronic threads. How many regulars are we down to now? It's not because we're out of shit to talk about, there are other boards that still have interesting threads.
Fuck it...I'm rambling and I really just don't even care anymore. Have fun with the dick jokes and sweet dance moves.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
OFFICIAL Clockwork Green Artistic Statement
Fuck me if I identify with all three of those types described. ???
"The problem I have with this is thread is that it's about being contrived. Would any of you be at all impressed by putting a guitar behind your head? Of course not, so why do you insult your audience with prefabricated, choreography? "
-apparently, judging by the reaction of the audience and of other guitar players, its a very impressive move. I do it when the mood strikes me, not every show and its not planned but even if it were so fucking what? a Band usually holds musical performances. ..which are by their very nature CONTRIVED in almost every way from your gay as set lists to your jeans to your in between song banter.........fucking DUH!To pretend otherwise is some pretensious bullshit..or you are playing in a free jazz band that never performs live.
"When Greg Ginn or Jimi Hendrix did it, it's because they were having an emotional explosion."
-yes they just happened to do a move done by dozens of guitarists previously, and obvioulsy practiced at least once or twice previously by themselves, because they were caught up in the emotion of the moment. just came out of nowhere....(ginn maybe, hendrix?...think again, he was in an Rand B band and had a whole repetoire of fucking dance moves befor forming the experience , playing between his legs, you name it)
the majority of "serious threads" here hold little to no interest to me but I dont go into them and have a tantrum or belittle the OP.
I once started a thread on relative minors..serious to the max. Got about two responses both of which were, "whats that?"
start some awesome threads about shit thats interesting to you, otherwise, move along.
"Some people get into music because they want to perform and be the center of attention. They feed off of the spectacle. Many of these folks go into acting but a handful make it into music. They like the theatrics, putting on a big show and that sort of thing...KISS, Meatloaf etc. I hate this shit beyond belief. Other folks get into music because they love music and they want to be apart of the culture of music and they're just happy to be in a band and playing whatever."
fucking retarded. those two people are not mutually exclusive. IN fact the best performing bands require a combo of those two elements.
You're suggesting that there are shades of gray, not just black or white, Chovie? ABSURD!!
Some folks just take they selves way too seriously. Seriously.
I love showmanship like playing guitar behind your head... but I presume that anybody who does shit like that can play really well. If not, that kind of showmanship would be rendonkulous.
What the fuck else can we talk about?
Fuzz pedals, vintage gear, band woes, what else? It's the jam room. Pretty limited topic base. I even introduced DIY projects and shit as an option for people to post in here. Not everyone likes the same shit.
Musicians? Contrived? No way.
I guess Im not understanding how a few simple and traditional performance related tricks are some kind of monumental musical sellout? We are not talking about staging a production of STyx's Mr Roboto here...were talkin about a 5 second TRICK similar to tapping, pick scraping, chuck berry duckwalking, handling a heckler with a stock insult.... whatever.
Unless you are a studio musician you will at some time be performing... FOR an audience hopefully. FOR them. to entertain them .
I think most of us here have done that a few times? In modern popular music we have a tradition of performance beyond playing our instruments...anyone who has ever played a rock show in front of an audience is painfully aware of this, despite any pretensious claims to the contrary.
When you go to a rock show, do you expect the band to be seated? remain seated? no movement? no interaction with the audience?
because as someone else said...thats the symphony. . IN popular music, we have other traditions that help us relate to the bands, that energize and inspire us and become engaged in the music and make us feel as if we are PART of the performance. Its a long tradition from:
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to:
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Quote from: Lumpy on August 14, 2013, 06:26:56 PM
I love showmanship like playing guitar behind your head... but I presume that anybody who does shit like that can play really well. If not, that kind of showmanship would be rendonkulous.
I guess some people take their guitar solos really really seriously?
I improvise most of my "solos" and IM not adverse to just holding a bendy note during a solo with one hand and drinking a beer with the other, or sticking my guitar out there into the audience and letting joe or jill blow in the front row rub his/hands hand over the strings while I solo one handed. I am not heartbroken if there a is a bum note and IM sure the audience doesnt care if my arpeggios are slightly off because I was flipping them the bird while soloing or whatever.
after 20 or more years of playing the pentatonic blues scale in which most of us "solo"...my eyes and both hands are no longer needed to pull it off.
I guess that could be considered one aspect of "playing well". I also feel like I'm playing well when I hit the right notes but thats something other than what we were discussing, and not veyr exciting...
I feel very confident in my playing. I think I could "cut heads" with just about anybody...
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first time I saw the trick in the op live was Pete Way from UFO..I loved it, as did the other 40K people in the cleveland coliseum that night. Then on came cheap trick, no showmanship there eh? what a fucking show. made me want to play guitar...so I begged mom and pop to buy me one and they rented me an acoustic, the rest is rock and roll history :D
Quote from: Chovie D on August 14, 2013, 06:40:26 PM
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Bruce Springsteen really let himself go... :(
Quote from: SunnO))) on August 14, 2013, 06:39:48 PM
What the fuck else can we talk about?
Fuzz pedals, vintage gear, band woes, what else? It's the jam room. Pretty limited topic base. I even introduced DIY projects and shit as an option for people to post in here. Not everyone likes the same shit.
Musicians? Contrived? No way.
YOU COULD TALK ABOOT MY GUITAR'S VOLUME DROP >:(
Seriously, what should I do? Put it on the curb? It has soooo many problems. :'(
pickup needs rewinding? bad pot on the volume knob?
Ive had a pickup thats dead on one string...shit happens.
i was surpised how reasonable it was to have them rewound and dipped. like 40 bucks.
The whole guitar was 10 bucks (40 for shipping, including a new guitar shipping box).
Penny wise, pound foolish :(
oh, slap in a spare pickup? I got a p-90's I could send you. (make it'll fit before I do).
what's the neck like on a $10 guitar?
when living in a college town, on the day everyone moves out of their rentals and dorms, I used to find a couple guitars a year. They were old hagstroms or no name beaters. One became a wall clock, a couple others were tuned up played and smashed onstage...more tricks! >:(
This guitar is pretty lousy. The neck is bowed... tuners suck. Bridge sucks...
I don't wanna derail your thread about shoowmanship.
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feel free to derail , I think its usefulness has run its course. and lemme know if you want that pee 90. ,
I have a box full of pickups if ya need one lumpy.
What's the control layout?
Wall art?
Quote from: RAGER on August 14, 2013, 07:28:13 PM
Wall art?
no, not just wall art. a compelling artistic wall art statement!
You guys are too kind. Seriously, it's fucked. Two strat style pickups. A volume and control knob (volume right next to the input jack ::) ) No switches. The bridge is like an old Teisco cheapy, with two rods that extend (so you can cut yourself). No fret markers anywhere on the neck (on a beginner guitar). I could go on. It's a Harmony, probably from the 90s.
I would just donate it to somebody, but it's pretty unusable without a lot of work, and even then it would only be semi-useable.
you can buy inlay stickers or like myself just use computer sticker paper.
I might have some strat style pickups lying around, but if the neck is totalled why bother?
The neck is pretty bowed. I tried turning the truss rodd (away from me, in playing position, correct?) and a half turn did nothing.
Let me know if you want a guitar for smashing.
I just poorly draw my inlays on by hand.
I put my inlay sweatbands on crooked. Lumpy, you after an inexpensive guitar?
I wanted a beater guitar I could use for noise, and not worry that I was degrading a good instrument. I already have a couple of nice Fender guitars (mexican Esquire, Strat) that I didn't wanna screw up (play them with files etc). I'm already down 50 bucks. Probably the cheapest thing to do is play a guitar I already own.
http://stonerrocklives.com/forum/index.php?topic=736.msg299514;topicseen#msg299514 (http://stonerrocklives.com/forum/index.php?topic=736.msg299514;topicseen#msg299514)
There were a couple of 150 dollar guitars here that I coulda bought. Penny wise, pound foolish.
For that purpose, how playable do they have to be?
Personally I just want to bring the fuckin' doom. We are a 3 piece and kind of boring to look and that's that. If we were jumping around all crazy it wouldn't fit the music. When bands play great music and jumping around all crazy fits then the show is better and more power to them.
If you want crazy physical stuff don't go to doom metal shows.
I've seen Pike do this kind of shit with HoF. Cliff Burton was pretty awesome. But I understand to each their own. I enjoy flashy drummers, but I also enjoy Charlie watts. cheers
Pike going crazy on stage makes sense because most HOF songs are pretty fast.
Getting off topic, they should do a whole tour where they play TAOSD all the way through with Steel Shoe and The Usurper. That would rule. I miss the days they would play tons of those songs live.
When I see a band live what matters to me is the energy, be it from moving around a lot or just from the music. One of the reasons why I still like going to hardcore/punk shows is because of the energy of those bands, even it's just a fucking monday night, just going for it. Something that I sometimes miss when I go to other types of shows.
Quote from: Lumpy on August 14, 2013, 09:30:20 PM
I wanted a beater guitar I could use for noise, and not worry that I was degrading a good instrument. I already have a couple of nice Fender guitars (mexican Esquire, Strat) that I didn't wanna screw up (play them with files etc). I'm already down 50 bucks. Probably the cheapest thing to do is play a guitar I already own.
http://stonerrocklives.com/forum/index.php?topic=736.msg299514;topicseen#msg299514 (http://stonerrocklives.com/forum/index.php?topic=736.msg299514;topicseen#msg299514)
There were a couple of 150 dollar guitars here that I coulda bought. Penny wise, pound foolish.
Lumps, I have a shortscale (24") SX tele that has upgraded saddles, tuners and a Lace Blue bridge pickup, that is still only worth about 100 bucks. Open to sales, trades, sexual favors...
Quote from: Lumpy on August 14, 2013, 09:30:20 PM
I wanted a beater guitar I could use for noise, and not worry that I was degrading a good instrument. I already have a couple of nice Fender guitars (mexican Esquire, Strat) that I didn't wanna screw up (play them with files etc). I'm already down 50 bucks. Probably the cheapest thing to do is play a guitar I already own.
http://stonerrocklives.com/forum/index.php?topic=736.msg299514;topicseen#msg299514 (http://stonerrocklives.com/forum/index.php?topic=736.msg299514;topicseen#msg299514)
There were a couple of 150 dollar guitars here that I coulda bought. Penny wise, pound foolish.
ok, this makes sense. since teh neck is fucked what I would try is raising the strings off the neck and using a bar(not a slide, a bar) like a lap steel. THey have "nut extenders" (thats what she said) for like 5$ thatll get your strings up high enough to use a heavy bar, or you could jam a drumstick in there like thurston moore (glen branca). slidey instruments are good noise makers (pink floyd-one of these days type stuff). If you didnt wanna buy a cheap bar ($25?) you could use a long socket wrench or similar round peice of smooth metal with some weight too it. Jam in that new (old) pickup and itd be good to go, mount it on your table , play it horizontally with the rest of your rig. use a volume pedal, swell in wooshing slidey sounds, think you already have one of those? distortion sounds monstrous on laps too, endless sustain. Then if you have an ebow you can get some weird theramin or singing sounds from it too.
-or just buy a $49 rogue lapsteel.
Ive been wanting to make a weird noise guitar myself. and for a while I had a burnt telecaster neck and body that I had bought at a garage sale for $5, but I looked for it the other day and cant find it anymore. :(
You need to find that shit, Chovis. I tried to get that shit off you, at one point. I wanted it.
we juts cleaned out the shed to make it into a painting studio fo my wife...i think I may have tossed them. :'(
The burnt neck was really cool looking.
Mother. Fucker.
About a year ago, there was a cool cheapie on Ebay painted with grey primer (driving the price down) but I didn't buy it.
Bandit, let me regroup for a bit here. I may take you up on that later, if the guitar is still around (don't hold onto it on my account though)
Chovie, neck is already slide-ready. ;)
The strat style pickups hum (and not in the good way). What makes pickups good for harmonics? Placement? Height? Type of pickup? That's what I need to do. Also, best pots for this?
good for hamronics? a pickup? not sure.
i know that dead strings will kill your harmonics
current pickups hum? or are really weak? or both?
Quote from: Lumpy on August 15, 2013, 05:37:30 PM
About a year ago, there was a cool cheapie on Ebay painted with grey primer (driving the price down) but I didn't buy it.
Bandit, let me regroup for a bit here. I may take you up on that later, if the guitar is still around (don't hold onto it on my account though)
Chovie, neck is already slide-ready. ;)
The strat style pickups hum (and not in the good way). What makes pickups good for harmonics? Placement? Height? Type of pickup? That's what I need to do. Also, best pots for this?
Wide pickup area helps, because nodes are much more significant when doing harmonics, so if one falls over a narrow pickup, you have nothing to work with.
so like a $200 lollar steel pickup ;)
I'm guessing clockwork green isn't a Supersuckers fan
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I like it when the band is having more fun than the crowd.
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How do you do that trick with a Flying V Chovie?
That is awesome.
Wait, I mean...
The problem I have with this thread that performance is that it's about being contrived. Would any of you be at all impressed by putting a guitar behind your head playing slide with a full, foaming beer and then with the cleanup towel over the fretting hand? Of course not, so why do you insult your audience with prefabricated, choreography?