Alright, Round 2 with the tan-faced 2203 JCM800 has been great, but I'm feeling the same way I did when I sold it the first time to go to MDF. It's too expensive for me to justify having it, when I am so, so broke and so, so in debt (same circumstance as the first time I sold it.)
I realized last night, at 400$ a piece, I could have three V4's instead of one JCM800. That got me thinking, what else could I get? Peavey butcher? Only be out 200$ and have a grand to throw at my debt... Shit, if I looked hard enough, I could probably get them for 100$ a piece and have two. Mod one to be really bassy, and dirty, and keep the other one somewhat stock with EL34s in there.
Jake, I fully support whatever you want to do, but if you do sell the JCM again I don't want to hear you talking about how much you miss it.
Been through that once already...
I missed how it sounded. If I can get that else where, cheaper, I'm gonna, lol.
I should prolly add a JCM800 to my collection.
Quote from: RAGER on August 30, 2013, 10:47:08 AM
I should prolly add a JCM800 to my collection.
One for potential sale, Mr. RV Salesman.
this is a bad idea. keep your amp.
If I was you I'd trade it for/sell it and buy a '70s SVT. I like ridiculous headroom though.
Keep it dude. Will just keep going up in price. Trading in a badass amp for a mediocre amp and cash that disappears to debt won't be satisfying. That said, I don't know your debt situation and tone may be a low priority. I just think you should hold on to things that are only going to become more rare and sought after.
Tone you say? Well....he does like Peaveys.
Mediocre amp won't be the case, cheaper, more economically viable amp? Yes. If I can get my asking price, I'mma sell it and throw the money into debt.
How life goes for me:
Debt = anxiety.
Anxiety = loss of creativity and sense of enjoyment.
loss of creativity and sense of enjoyment = not having fun playing music.
not having fun playing music. = why have 1200$ sitting around going to waste.
Once I'm outta the hole, I can worry about having a "Marshall." Until then, I can make everyone else's tone sound weenie and shitty next to mine, with a "mediocre" amp. I'm over the whole name game, these days. Had a Model T, sold it to get outta the hole. Don't miss it.
Gotta get free of the shit debt I'm in, it isn't a lot. It's actually so little that it irritates me what I can't pay it off, and I'm fed up with it. Once it's gone, I'll have free cash, again.
Peaveys are so grocery.
- RAGER
But really, what should I get my hands on, kiddos?
If you'd live closer, I'd suggest to drive to Oli and play on whatever he has lying around and decide then and there ;D Otherwise, yes to V4 & Butcher.
In the same category of amp tones, I used to have a JCM800, Hiwatt DR504 and Peavey VTM120. I still have the Peavey. If your priority is usefulness and value over bragging rights, a Peavey Butcher or VTM are a good choice. There's also nothing wrong with keeping amps because you think they're cool, but if money is an issue it's worth considering. My explanation for why I ditched the other two amps and kept the Peavey is they all got essentially the same tones (for what I wanted out of them), the Peavey just took a few minutes of knob twiddling to get me what the others had right off the bat. So considering the massive price gap, a couple extra minutes of dialing in tone was worth it.
Personally, I hate having to 'dial in' a sound I like.
Keep the amp you love, the 800 dollars you're gonna convert via sale is peanuts in the long run. Time is money, how long will it take you to find another Marshall next time? And will it need work etc? A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, etc.
I don't think I'll be finding another one, heh. Getting free of the world(debt) will enable me to do much more, much faster.
Realistically... Ill build one before I buy another 800.
SUGGESTIONS. ANYTHING I HAVE OVERLOOKED?
Cabbage Patch Dolls & Beanie Babies
Sell the JCM, buy one V4 and one Peavey, pay off some debt, get back to creativity and enjoyment! Win win win.
Or keep the JCM and be miserable but have your Marshall.. um..
Perfect. V4 here i come!
I'll trade you for a chopped down Sunn T50C and a cherry-ass Peavey Classic 50.
Hey! Dat's TWO fer ONE!
Check out "Where are your God's now?" by General.
Quote from: Riffing Tastey on August 30, 2013, 03:09:47 PM
Check out "Where are your God's now?" by General.
He's asking about gear.
Wrong forum for band spam. Try GD.
Jake, what do you really want for that Sunn? Haha. I feel like it ain't gonna be as loud as I expect.
What all amps do you have now, SunnJake?
It really puts out as much volume as the r/i T, but you just have to crank it a couple of numbers further. But that means more powertube goodness, as far as I'm concerned.
I was/am going to keep it, which I why I decided to chop it. But god fucking damnit, if I told you I didn't think about my old JCM800 at least once a week, I'd be lying.
Jcm800, beta lead, acoustic 370 and a beater peavey heritage vtx in baaaaddd shape.
And that Duncan im trying to unload.
In that case, how much do you want for the JCM800?
why do you wanna get 3 shitty amps for one decent one?
I don't actually want to do that. I want one decent amp, for cheap, and to pay the rest into my bullshit loan.
In my opinion, what you want to do is sell the other 3 amps for as much as you can get & pay that toward yer loan.
Keep that fucking JCM 800, dude.
I wasn't asking if I should keep it or not, I appreciate the advisory, though. I was hoping I could come across some more fun options for amps that aren't a grand, so I could kill two birds with one stone. Cheap amp, major payment. Semi-financial-happiness restored.
Ah, youth. :(
Ok. Fuck this thread. Thanks for the up and up, gentleman.
Hey man, take it easy. If you're going to solicit opinions then expect all kinds of 'em. Even ones that you may not find altogether useful.
Don't sell anything you don't want to.
There will always be bills to pay.
There Carlsbros over there? Looking at the fucking piles of them I have, they are gonna go up in price soon.
Quote from: Jor el on August 30, 2013, 05:52:39 PM
Don't sell anything you don't want to.
There will always be bills to pay.
Thread redeemed.
Thanks Jor El. You da man.
Quote from: SunnO))) on August 30, 2013, 05:58:40 PM
Quote from: Jor el on August 30, 2013, 05:52:39 PM
Don't sell anything you don't want to.
There will always be bills to pay.
Thread redeemed.
Really?
How so? It's pretty much the same suggestion I made that pissed you off.
Quote from: RacerX on August 30, 2013, 06:04:03 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on August 30, 2013, 05:58:40 PM
Quote from: Jor el on August 30, 2013, 05:52:39 PM
Don't sell anything you don't want to.
There will always be bills to pay.
Thread redeemed.
Really?
How so? It's pretty much the same suggestion I made that pissed you off.
Im frustrated because im really out of options.
So. I WAS HOPING FOR SOME SUPPORT.
really though, I am ready to be outta the hole.
There will always be another hole to fill (just ask Bolt).
The V4 is a shitty amp? That's news to me. I would have bought one many years ago if they weren't so heavy.
Quote from: SunnO))) on August 30, 2013, 06:15:04 PM
Quote from: RacerX on August 30, 2013, 06:04:03 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on August 30, 2013, 05:58:40 PM
Quote from: Jor el on August 30, 2013, 05:52:39 PM
Don't sell anything you don't want to.
There will always be bills to pay.
Thread redeemed.
Really?
How so? It's pretty much the same suggestion I made that pissed you off.
Im frustrated because im really out of options.
So. I WAS HOPING FOR SOME SUPPORT.
really though, I am ready to be outta the hole.
Rationally think your way out of the debt. Don't liquidate to get through the next two months, because you'll be lighter in terms of ampage and right back in the anxious state. IF it's $1200 your in debt for, then you don't have much of a debt problem really.
Quote from: Pissy on August 30, 2013, 07:35:25 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on August 30, 2013, 06:15:04 PM
Quote from: RacerX on August 30, 2013, 06:04:03 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on August 30, 2013, 05:58:40 PM
Quote from: Jor el on August 30, 2013, 05:52:39 PM
Don't sell anything you don't want to.
There will always be bills to pay.
Thread redeemed.
Really?
How so? It's pretty much the same suggestion I made that pissed you off.
Im frustrated because im really out of options.
So. I WAS HOPING FOR SOME SUPPORT.
really though, I am ready to be outta the hole.
Rationally think your way out of the debt. Don't liquidate to get through the next two months, because you'll be lighter in terms of ampage and right back in the anxious state. IF it's $1200 your in debt for, then you don't have much of a debt problem really.
3600$.
Want to dent it. Bad.
Quote from: RacerX on August 30, 2013, 06:04:03 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on August 30, 2013, 05:58:40 PM
Quote from: Jor el on August 30, 2013, 05:52:39 PM
Don't sell anything you don't want to.
There will always be bills to pay.
Thread redeemed.
Really?
How so? It's pretty much the same suggestion I made that pissed you off.
Jorel has suave poetry words, he got style.
In general, Sunny, you should broaden your horizons. The world is big and your debt is tiny even if it doesn not seem like it. There is money and opportunity out there, really. Sometimes you just have to do funny thing to get to a place of personal comfort. Relax, go get laid, you've got good karma let it pay off. Try like the devil not to sell the marshall, you've already bought it twice, you'll likely buy it again if you sell it.
That's on a C-card?
Man, budget that outta your hair. Do the balance transfer two step to a different card, to keep the juice down, and dig. Done deal. Cut your cable, trade your phone in, spaghetti sandwiches ride a bike to save on gas, cut out the smoke and beer something. Cuz I don't think $2400 makes it any less stress than $3600. $2400 Vs 10,000? Yeah I guess. But without a budget plan, same anxiety, no amp.
Also, not saying that amp isn't worth $1200, but in my recent sales adventures, its worth what you can actually get for it. That means a genuine person has to give you cash. That is a really hard thing to get I've found, especially at the 4 digit level. I think that Sovtek should sell at $400... It hasn't. Dude offered me $250. The only guy willing to give up cash. Trades? Yeah. You don't need trades though.
So where do you think that 800 will actually MOVE for cash? That's rhetorical, but i hope you see what I'm getting at.
Quote from: dogfood on August 30, 2013, 08:16:07 PM
There is money and opportunity out there, really.
Agreed - aren't you in the cabinet biz now, anyway, SunnJake?
Quote from: Pissy on August 30, 2013, 08:19:46 PM
That's on a C-card?
Man, budget that outta your hair. Do the balance transfer two step to a different card, to keep the juice down, and dig. Done deal. Cut your cable, trade your phone in, spaghetti sandwiches ride a bike to save on gas, cut out the smoke and beer something. Cuz I don't think $2400 makes it any less stress than $3600. $2400 Vs 10,000? Yeah I guess. But without a budget plan, same anxiety, no amp.
Can't ride a bike, I'm on call for work 24/6 (finally got a day off,) I don't smoke or drink, haha. The only thing I spend money on it stuff to make more money, anymore.
If I ever had money left over at the end of the week, it would be different. I end up paying it all back out in gas, because as an IC I have to pay for my own gas. It's pretty much a bummer.
Xayx, I built one, hopefully I get to build more...
Sell me your JCM for $800, that's $1 per JCM and I'll show you a picture of my Orange.
Yeah? Ive seen amps that drop the grid resistors out of the socket due to overheatinf.
well its easy for me to say you shouldnt sell that amp. Im sorry i said that. :-[ i remember (barely) what it was like to be young and struggling to make ends meet. soon i will be old and struggling to make ends meet so, I understand. Its a shame but do whatcha gotta. when your young its kind of good to be free of material possesions anyway...and if cheaper amps suit you,or the music you are playing, why not? I dont know anything about those amps so ..i will bow out and say good luck from all angles.
Oh hey, Thanks, Choves. Monetary value =/= tone. I don't understand that equation in the least. Especially considering Warhorse used Crates, and EHG use solid state Ampegs, Homme uses v4s, etc etc ad infinitum.
I get a little upset when the tone/cash correlation gets made. The Marshall does the tone I want, sometimes. Other times it feels totally alien to me. In doom land, I use pedals. In metal land, I far prefer amp distortion. If I really wanted to get an amp in the same ballpark, I'd be onto a Soldano Avenger for 800$ or so. I just feel like it would be wise to dent my financial burden. The lack of progress is what makes me anxious about it. Seeing the balance only decrease by the minimum each time, and then go back up when I use it for an emergency is pretty demoralizing, to say the least.
Quote from: SunnO))) on August 31, 2013, 08:05:20 PM
Yeah? Ive seen amps that drop the grid resistors out of the socket due to overheatinf.
Had a carpeted Carvin XB100 or whatever it's called do that. Heat dissipating resistors that got so hot, they melted the solder.
Quote from: Pissy on September 01, 2013, 07:52:18 AM
Quote from: SunnO))) on August 31, 2013, 08:05:20 PM
Yeah? Ive seen amps that drop the grid resistors out of the socket due to overheatinf.
Had a carpeted Carvin XB100 or whatever it's called do that. Heat dissipating resistors that got so hot, they melted the solder.
RAGER's Orange did it, too, haha.
Thoae Crate palomino v32s have that 60ohm/10w resistor that melts everything around it. Bad juju.
Quote from: SunnO))) on September 01, 2013, 07:54:29 AM
Quote from: Pissy on September 01, 2013, 07:52:18 AM
Quote from: SunnO))) on August 31, 2013, 08:05:20 PM
Yeah? Ive seen amps that drop the grid resistors out of the socket due to overheatinf.
Had a carpeted Carvin XB100 or whatever it's called do that. Heat dissipating resistors that got so hot, they melted the solder.
RAGER's Orange did it, too, haha.
Thoae Crate palomino v32s have that 60ohm/10w resistor that melts everything around it. Bad juju.
Same thing happened to my OR120 once....just got too hot up in, solder melted.
Also, I did what you are thinking of doing Sunn. Got rid of my cherished OR120 and got two, cheaper, yet still kick ass amps. I am glad I did it. I'm much happier with my tone, but my back doesn't thank me at all.
The success story has me rethinking my decision to not do this.
I want one of those twins, Taylor. How do you dig it on a scale of 1-10?
I guess i should be on the lookout for a Sunn T50C to hack up.
Please don't be flying off the handle at me, but I'm going to to the math real quickly.
+$1000: If'n you get top dolla of around $1200 for your Marshall*, you're looking at maaaaybe $1000 once eBay and PayPal fees kick in.
–$500-600: You're going to have a hard time finding another amp even worth your time/effort for under 5-6 bills. Especially considering your good taste and the brands you've been kicking around.
Now you're left with $500 tops. If you pay all of that towards a $3600 debt, congrats – you've paid down about 14%. Leaving you still carrying 86% of it.
*For the record, I would never pay more than $800 for an 800, and that's totally doable. Paid $620 for my '86 a few years ago.
And here's a version of that pretty rare model selling for only $1400 w/ cabinet.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Marshall-JCM800-Limited-Edition-2204-Halfstack-RARE-VINTAGE-GREEN-TOLEX-/161051771951?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item257f6f042f&nma=true&si=CaW5V%252BagoIIpoGDDev2hzCLm7Og%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Marshall-JCM800-Limited-Edition-2204-Halfstack-RARE-VINTAGE-GREEN-TOLEX-/161051771951?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item257f6f042f&nma=true&si=CaW5V%252BagoIIpoGDDev2hzCLm7Og%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)
SunnJake don't ebay. So his pool of potential buyers is gonna be less.
Ive got locals hollering at me for 1100$. No ebay or paypal for me. I won't sell i lt unless i get what i want.
Quote from: SunnO))) on September 04, 2013, 12:34:37 PM
The success story has me rethinking my decision to not do this.
I want one of those twins, Taylor. How do you dig it on a scale of 1-10?
I guess i should be on the lookout for a Sunn T50C to hack up.
I would give it a 7....I still haven't spent the time to really dialit in because we've just been recording and I finished my guitar tracks a while back (didn't use the twin on the record). I don't dig the open back. I want to close the back up, see if that helps with the sound bleed so to speak. I cut through like never before now, almost too much. We've only played one show with my new setup, and my tone was a little too brittle/treble and the twin was the culprit It sounds a lot like the reissue sunn, just doesn't have as much growl when cranked and sounds a lot more treble-y. I don't like the OD channel on it. It is a lot more quiet than the first channel. I wouldn't dig the evil twin all on it's own for my current band, but it really, really compliments the traynor well. So together they are a 9.
But I got it for $450, so I couldn't pass it up!
Great!
Honestly, if I get 1100$, im going to throw it all at the card, and start buying/flipping shit again to beat it down even further.
Quote from: SunnO))) on September 04, 2013, 03:13:59 PM
Great!
Honestly, if I get 1100$, im going to throw it all at the card, and start buying/flipping shit again to beat it down even further.
I'll record some clips for you if you want sometime soon?
Quote from: SunnO))) on September 04, 2013, 03:13:59 PM
Great!
Honestly, if I get 1100$, im going to throw it all at the card, and start buying/flipping shit again to beat it down even further.
Well then this thread should be called, "What the hell stamp should I use on my credit card payment envelope?"
Do whatever the fuck you want to, now.
Quote from: Jake on September 04, 2013, 04:21:24 PMQuote from: SunnO))) on September 04, 2013, 03:13:59 PMGreat!
Honestly, if I get 1100$, im going to throw it all at the card, and start buying/flipping shit again to beat it down even further.
Well then this thread should be called, "What the hell stamp should I use on my credit card payment envelope?"
Elvis or should I get some of those fancy bird ones? Are there Burt Reynolds stamps yet?
If there are not Burt Reynolds stamps soon, the terrorists have already FUCKING won.
Dude, he's selling his JCM 800.
The terrorists have already won.
Don't worry, Ill probably just end up buying something similar but with more gain. I wanna run no pedals, and crank.
Also, Suck it, Alan.
Do they have John Wayne stamps? If so, go with those. You know, to show the terrorists they haven't won yet.
No pedals? Sounds like wishful thinking to me. (says the guy with 4 overdrives/fuzzes on his bass pedalboard) Depends on what you're playing of course.
BLAVK MVT4L.
also, starting a grind band.
The 800 feels precious.
$500 is the most Ive ever paid for an amplifier. that was for a 1966 bassman
one of the reasons IM kind fo against selling stuff to pay debt is from personal experience.
It did not work out well for me, and ive regretted it ever since.
Every stick of gear you own is replaceable. Sentiment and and perceived collectibility will not provide food, shelter and security for your burgeoning family.
Sell anything and everything you are not using professionally. If you are not making music for a living it is all up for grabs. Any piece of gear that approximates the sound you want will do if it's just for your own entertainment.
Jesus H. Christ. What the shit is that all about?
I suspect that there are others out there that put more than ZERO monetary value on their own entertainment/gratification. For example, even though I would technically only need water to hydrate, I sometimes drink iced tea. Or even a godamned beer, if I'm inclined.
And in the past, I actually paid someone to put permanent ink decorations on my skin. Even though it cost money and did not provide me with the essential nutrients to live.
Don't even get me started on my shitball action movie DVDs. Believe it or not, I don't even use them to build a hut in which to seek shelter from the elements.
I could go on and on.
DVDs? Are those like compound discs?
I thought Blurays would seem too uppity. And, you know, smaller cases for that Stallone-covered hut.
Some gear you own just might be irreplaceable. Providing food, shelter and security for your burgeoning family will not help in your quest to make the best music you can.
Sell anything and everything non-essential that is not music gear first. Even if you are not making music for a living, it might still be the only thing keeping you sane.
Of course, it's easy to see it otherwise if you convince yourself music is "just" for your own entertainment.
SunnJake is working on an irreplaceable guitar for me. Super rare.
Golden Boy, Esq.
everything may be replaceable, but not at the price you purchased it for.
And I can figure out what the fuck is wrong with it!
A Lanery GH* or a Laney AOR? Are said to be kinda marshallish but fuzzier; dirt cheap on the other side of the pond (might be the case in the US too). I find my GH to sound pretty schweet at least
Edit: Aren't sovtek amps pretty common over there?
sovtek is a great choice. they arent terribly common over here, but they exist.
Quote from: Jake on September 05, 2013, 11:46:54 AM
Jesus H. Christ. What the shit is that all about?
I suspect that there are others out there that put more than ZERO monetary value on their own entertainment/gratification. For example, even though I would technically only need water to hydrate, I sometimes drink iced tea. Or even a godamned beer, if I'm inclined.
And in the past, I actually paid someone to put permanent ink decorations on my skin. Even though it cost money and did not provide me with the essential nutrients to live.
Don't even get me started on my shitball action movie DVDs. Believe it or not, I don't even use them to build a hut in which to seek shelter from the elements.
I could go on and on.
Let me clarify. I do not believe anything comes before taking care of a child. Yes if I had to choose between an awesome JCM800 or a Bugera so that I could be a responsible adult and make sure that my kid was provided for, there is no contest. The only hesitation I might have is if that gear was used for earning my income. Since there is little chance of paying a pediatrician (for instance) with a JCM800 when money is tight, in my mind owning it is not a necessity.
Family before gear, always!
I probably just bought a Soldano sp-77 and a Peavey 60/60.
You're not sure?
Just noticed that the Hovercraft amps guy is selling a couple of AORs: http://www.ebay.com/sch/monotremata/m.html?item=331019925125&ViewItem&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
Maybe a Hovercraft is within your budget? They seem to sound really nice without being overly expensive. Would already have bought one if it hadn't been for the expensive shipping to Europe.
Sell everything, clone a SLO, and never bother with it again.
I would probably be very happy with an SLO.
Quote from: SunnO))) on September 10, 2013, 09:42:25 AM
I would probably be very happy with an SLO.
Which makes me think of: those Jet City amps seem to be dirt cheap (Chinese made Soldano:ish), although it's the typical "Let's mount everything on the PCB" construction method seen in most modern amps; on the other hand, from the pictures I've seen, they don't look as horrendous as Bugeras or newer Peaveys...
Look at the Yamaha t100 or the t100c. Those are pretty much Soldanos. With a little love (and help from Uncle DunNick) im sure it could be spot on. I have a line on one for 200$ that Im gonna pull a Jake on and cut it down
Quote from: aowron on September 10, 2013, 04:16:57 AM
Just noticed that the Hovercraft amps guy is selling a couple of AORs: http://www.ebay.com/sch/monotremata/m.html?item=331019925125&ViewItem&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
That AOR is cheaper than I sell them for over here.
Do it. The guitar player for Disengage (great band back in the day) had a chopped down Yamaha TC combo for a head. His name was also Jake. I shit you not.
Quote from: Jake on September 10, 2013, 10:45:56 PM
Do it. The guitar player for Disengage (great band back in the day) had a chopped down Yamaha TC combo for a head. His name was also Jake. I shit you not.
Guy keeps digging himself deeper. "The clean channel doesn't stay clean, it had a problem that was common with these amps... 20 dollar part?"
I was like "Well, 20 dollar part and 60$ minimum for any tech to replace it..."
I'm probably getting this.