those chinese gibsons....

[kirky]

looks great jake! what all did you end up doing to it? as far as changing parts....

[VOLVO)))]

Lemme know when you want to send me that piece of shit.

[Jake]

 

[VOLVO)))]

How'd you crackle the clear? It's poly, isn't it?

[Jake]

[VOLVO)))]

No shit? That's kinda fuckin' cool. If you want to further the aged look... smoke it.

[jibberish]

sunno, imo, you are a bit extreme in your bias toward gibson. i dont really care. but you are the one that will not be entirely correct in your polarized rantings.

[Mr. Foxen]

sunno, imo, you are a bit extreme in your bias toward gibson. i dont really care. but you are the one that will not be entirely correct in your polarized rantings.

Pretty sure its something you catch from working on bunches of Gibsons.

[eyeprod]

haha, bummer about the newer gibsons...seems they have a very bad rep among those in the know. I can't argue, even though I stand behind those that I've owned. All I know for certain is that I love my old one, and nothing else compares.

[everdrone]

I think those fake chinese gibsons are like the fake purses issue, not sure if they are illegal in USA as well!  might be illegal just to even have one in your home even if you dont ever take it out of your home in USA...



Gibson Guitar Warns Consumers About Counterfeit Instruments Being Sold in the United States
April 18, 2007

Gibson Guitar continues to protect its intellectual property rights and provide consumer protection against the growing problem of counterfeit instruments being shipped from and sold by outlets and individuals in China.

Several complaints from consumers who were sold fake instruments has prompted an aggressive move on Gibson Guitar's part to work with government officials and other instrument marketers in an effort to curtail the growing problem. Gibson Guitar advises all consumers to purchase Gibson instruments only from their network of authorized dealers. Authorized Gibson dealers can be found on the company's website and should be referred to by consumers when purchasing their choice of Gibson instrument. A consumer is warned against purchasing any Gibson brand instrument outside of the authorized dealer network and the inevitable risk of purchasing what can turn out to be a fake.

The growing problem, originating out of China, has been reviewed by the U.S. Trade Commission and currently has the attention of Washington. China regularly defends its record in fighting piracy and counterfeit production of merchandise, however many pirated consumer products continue to be sold in various Chinese cities which affect a multitude of international manufacturers across many categories.

"We will continue to do everything in our power to protect our consumers and the integrity of our family of brands," said Henry Juszkiewicz, Chairman and CEO of Gibson Guitar. "We hope that by issuing this warning our consumers will be armed with the right information to protect themselves and understand what they need to do to insure that what they are purchasing is, indeed, an authentic Gibson instrument."

Consumers can check any of the references below when examining a Gibson guitar in an effort to insure its authenticity:

- Make sure the size is not undersized
- The headstock and headstock logo should match those of authentic Gibson guitars
- Pearl should always be inlaid
- Les Paul Model script is always in cursive
- If the guitar has a 3 screw truss rod it is not authentic
- Check the control and pick up cavities for sloppy routing or wiring
- Real Gibson guitars use one piece necks
- Many fake Gibsons have their pickup cavities painted black inside
- If purchasing a Gibson always ask for the Gibson's Owner Manual and Gibson/Warranty Inspection Card
- Check the wiring, if it is plastic it isn't a true Gibson

Other information on spotting a fake guitar can be found on www.gibson.com

In a recent case in North Carolina, a man was charged with trying to sell counterfeit guitars after a 15 year old discovered the instrument he bought from the suspect was a fake. The man was arrested on two felony counts of criminal use of a counterfeit trademark, following an investigation by the North Carolina Secretary of State's Trademark Enforcement Section. The investigation was initiated by a complaint to the Secretary of State's Office from a victim who allegedly bought what appeared to be a Les Paul model Gibson brand electric guitar from the man. The man had advertised the guitars for sale in the local paper.

Auction websites currently have hundreds of instruments which resemble Gibson Guitars and other brands. Some even feature trademarked headstocks and logos. Many of these items carry a very low sale price but exorbitant shipping costs. Upon close inspection the guitars will not feel or sound like a true Gibson and most are not of good standard of quality overall. If a guitar is up for an auction for a straight price or a fraction of what one would cost typically, the consumer is taking a great chance in purchasing it. Gibson Guitar warns against such action. Consumers should be wary of such sales that also offer shipping prices that are more than the guitar.

Illegal merchandise entering the country offer great damages on many levels; and counterfeiting in the United States is a serious crime punishable in a court of law. By Federal statutes, selling and also owning counterfeit merchandise is a felony. By issuing this warning, Gibson Guitar hopes to educate its loyal consumers about such wrongdoings and protect them.

For more information, visit their web site at www.gibson.com

[everdrone]

I notice I was smited after posting that ^^

[everdrone]

I was 1 smite now I am 6, any more?

[dogfood]

I own three guitars right now.  An 1985 SG Special (came with Dirty Fingers/single coil/single coil & Kahler), a mid 90's Les Paul Junior (single dog ear P100 & routed for a neck pick up and long tenon never mind the neck is a short tenon!), and a Tradition lester copy.  The Tradition (built by Samick to my knowledge) is by far and away the best built guitar.  I do not mythologize Gibson the way Gibson does.  They carve up wood, paint it, and put strings on the wood just like 100s of other companies.  These guitars are all carved up by cnc machines.  There is little mojo left in the mass manufaturing business.  I would actually like to see Gibson stop with the robotic guitar crap, stupid designs, stupid concepts, and get back to concentrating on building simple quality guitars but I ain't holding my breath.

[Jake]

Until those Robot models include a blowjob attachment, I remain totally unconvinced of their worthiness.

That's really not a fair statement.

I suppose a "make me a mushroom and feta omelette" attachment would suffice.

[dogfood]

Anyone remember when Gibson built LES PAULS and flaky japanese crap companies built guitars with built in effects (ie firebird x) ??  facepalm

[RacerX]

Anyone remember when Gibson built LES PAULS and flaky japanese crap companies built guitars with built in effects (ie firebird x) ??  facepalm

[VOLVO)))]

sunno, imo, you are a bit extreme in your bias toward gibson. i dont really care. but you are the one that will not be entirely correct in your polarized rantings.

What in the everliving fuck are you talking about? I don't hate Gibson. I loathe the fact that they are allowing such utter bullshit to leave their factories. My bias would be against, if there were another company that I were hailing as "better" or "a good alternative." I work on these fucking things, on an almost daily basis. I HATE doing other people's jobs for them, I am a repair tech. Not a "product finisher."

Explain to me what you find endearing about every 1 in a hundred guitars being half-decent, and furthermore, please explain to me how I am "not entirely correct" in my "polarized rantings?" You think Fender is paying me to slander Gibson? Agile telling me to downplay new Gibson to increase numbers? Gimme a break, I am telling you MY findings, but it's a matter of opinion? A row of fucked up fretwork isn't opinion, sir. There is physical, tangible evidence to support my findings. I invite you to go play a couple hundred of these guitars, and report your findings, further more, I suggest you put a wrench to fifty or sixty of them and tell me how ya feel.


EDIT: If you are referring to my "piece of shit" comment, that is called sarcasm, and ball busting. That is obviously a fake, and I happen to quite enjoy the fact that it is pretty spot on, and genuinely want it. I expect to do work to a guitar like that, but NOT the guitar that is it's basis. (2500$+ LPC.)

[everdrone]

let the smiting continue lol

I mize well just go buy a louis vuitton men's purse to go along with my fake chinese gibson les paul custom, maybe Ill pick up both being hocked when I visit the big apple New York City  

on that smiting note, you can report the fraud counterfeiting:


www.ic3.gov/

http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

[everdrone]

u know u rlly want a real one     

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/gibson-custom-limited-edition-les-paul-custom-electric-guitar

[VOLVO)))]

let the smiting continue lol

I mize well just go buy a louis vuitton men's purse to go along with my fake chinese gibson les paul custom, maybe Ill pick up both being hocked when I visit the big apple New York City  

on that smiting note, you can report the fraud counterfeiting:


www.ic3.gov/

http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

smitten, suck it, nerd! 

[Jake]

let the smiting continue lol

I mize well just go buy a louis vuitton men's purse to go along with my fake chinese gibson les paul custom, maybe Ill pick up both being hocked when I visit the big apple New York City  

[jibberish]

whatever sunno, you are exaggerating now.  but ya, think what you think. idc, but it isnt exactly reality and im not going to antagonize you any more about it.

[The Shocker]

You know as an owner of a Gibson that Sunn is working on, I get where he is coming from (even though I had to get chewed out by him).  I do have issues more with Gibson's marketing than anything else.  When you go around saying you are the best ever, that does open you up to a lot of criticism.  Like saying baked maple is this great new thing instead of explaining the real reason you are using it.  Also, charging a premium for your Guitars that have more issues than new Chinese guitars is problematic.   

[everdrone]

maybe the same guy that hocks the fake designer purses on the streets of new york city can hawk me a fake chinese gibson!     

gibson owns epiphone and does quality control on their chinese counterpart, so if one wants to buy the chinese version they can.  Your friends cant read the headstock that means "USA made" though...   those epiphones are very quality fine instruments for very very little, truly this is the age of being able to acquire a real instrument.  the cheap guitars 70 years ago were horrible in comparison...hence the colloquilism:

"played out like a cheap guitar"

[VOLVO)))]

whatever sunno, you are exaggerating now.  but ya, think what you think. idc, but it isnt exactly reality and im not going to antagonize you any more about it.

You didn't answer any of my questions. You accuse me of something, and when I call you out on it, you don't respond? What is that? Perhaps you should properly examine "reality" because you surely don't have a clue, at the moment.