Searching led to a couple decent hits but we may as well get a dedicated thread.
I joined a band on bass, and I want skullfuckery by way of speakers. I'm pretty well set up on an amp - Acoustic 450. Ran it through a fridge this summer and it blew my nuts off, but they are fucking spendy. So, let's talk options.
I dig the idea behind a bass 4x12 but they turn up pretty expensive too. Maybe separate 2x12s to spread across the stage...or 2 2x15s. Something asinine, yet not utter destruction to my bank account.
I am handy in construction, so building and loading my own cab is very conceivable.
Good bass cabs are expensive. You can make way better than SVT 8x10s though, those were crude in 1969. Don't spread bass cabs across the stage, you want them close together so they couple and reinforce in the low end, not cancel out.
Best DIY value for money is get these plans in appropriate size: http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/Simplexx.html
You are a fountain of knowledge, good sir.
Here, let me clarify a little. I'm not adverse to spending money, but I am a huge proponent of bang for your buck. If something out there delivers 80% the goods of something that costs twice as much, that's a sweet deal to me.
18's are beasts!! I have a 1x18 which I love, it could open portals to new dimensions with it's sonic power!, I had a 2x15 but we had to sell it as it was impossible to move around or store, so damn heavy worse than a 8x10, 2x15/18s tend to go for cheap because no-one seems to want them I find, any iv sold or tried to sell I couldn't get rid off even tho they are absolute beasts excellent speakers etc, if you're looking not to spend loads just be open to anything, look around obsessively and buy the first decent thing you manage to snipe or make a decent offer on, if your head is a beast you just need anything that's solid...
I do like the idea or large cones, and I'll have some stupid low registers - playing in drop C on a 5 string with a low F - but I tend to write riffs that need more than just looming thunder.
Me and my fucking arpeggios always making sound reproduction more complicated than some Electric Wizard shit hahaha.
I have the exact same problem!
as crappy as marshall bass amp/cabs are usually considered to be, i have always had a fascination with them. i want the murder one.
IMO, ten inch speakers are best for note definition. Not really based on anything but vague notions. They also reproduce lows just fine. Speaker size might not matter at all though.
I would try to save money buying used stuff on Craigs List, since for your needs, more is better. More speakers, more everything. Some people say don't mix & match speaker sizes. If you have 15's, then all the speakers should be 15.
People argue about this stuff, with heavy "if you do that, it's wrong!!!" vibes (but in the real world, people are doing "wrong" things with gear and are perfectly happy). Look at Jucifer or Zoroaster.
I would look for Peavey 2x15s on Craigs List (should cost under 250) and get two of them. There's a deeper model (some are shallow, only 14 inches deep I think) and the deeper one has better bass reproduction. Search Craigs List for 2x15 and 8x10. See what's available and work backwards from there. You can get a used 8x10 for 400-600 bucks. If you can afford the fancier brands (Mesa) and one turns up, then go for that.
Quote from: mutantcolors on March 07, 2014, 03:45:08 PM2 2x15s. Something asinine, yet not utter destruction to my bank account.
I am handy in construction, so building and loading my own cab is very conceivable.
The carpentry part can save you money, but you still gotta spend money on speakers. Cheaper to buy the speakers already installed in a used cab, IMO. When you quit the band, you can flip that old Peavey cab and get your money back. Recouping your investment in home-brewed cabinets might be harder.
I recorded that Fried Egg business through a mid-grade Yamaha 2x15 and was not unsatisfied. The 8x10, I was overly satisfied.
Good point on the self built. I am fairly sure I won't be quitting this project, BUT it's good to consider that anyway. I'll probably end up with a couple 2x15s unless a fridge pops up. Those fridge-sized 4x12s look like they'd knock your dick in the dirt pretty good with whatever 1200 watts power handling.
I can't see anything wrong with a good ol fridge. I have one and it rules enough for me that the thought of something "better" is not really in my vocabulary. Then again I'm in the more bang for less buck camp and this thing cost me $500 so hard to complain. Come to think of it. I paid $250 and a while after that my friend who owned it passed away so I suppose I got a smokin' deal. Agreed that 2x15s are cheap if you can find one, but I'm not particularly a fan of the sound of a 15 or larger speaker. I had one, but sold it cheap, just like I bought it. Too farty
I like 10 inch speakers, some people say that 10s cannot reproduce bass notes as well as 15's and 18's, but that doesn't seem to be true. I got a used Ampeg 8x10 for 450 on Craigs List. If you already know you like a specific cab, then try to find one.
One of the issues to grapple with is total speaker area. My math-challenged interpretation: 8x10 = 80 sq. inches of speaker area. 2x15 = 30 sq. inches of speaker area. More speaker area = better.
Even if my math sucks, I still like 8x10s.
Only caveat with buying old bass cabs... bass speaker technology seems to be better now, than it used to be in the 70s (?) and bass speakers can wear out/fail eventually. With my 8x10 I was getting some farting... turns out the paper dome was coming loose from the cone. You can reglue it, and good as new. Anyway, vintage cabs can be on their last legs sometimes. But that's where I would look. Beware replacement speakers, people put all kinds of weird shit in there (car stereo subwoofers in particular).
Basically, if someone talks about sound coming from speaker diameter, they don't understand how speakers work. Especially if they don't know about area involving the square of the diameter, because its area.
Best bang for buck is if you can put the time into making instead of the bucks, precut kits and such make it easier. Also, if you do a build, get the right speakers for it, don't second guess the plans.
Pi (r)^2, Lumpy.
Quote from: Lumpy on March 07, 2014, 07:12:05 PM
IMO, ten inch speakers are best for note definition. Not really based on anything but vague notions. They also reproduce lows just fine. Speaker size might not matter at all though.
I would try to save money buying used stuff on Craigs List, since for your needs, more is better. More speakers, more everything. Some people say don't mix & match speaker sizes. If you have 15's, then all the speakers should be 15.
People argue about this stuff, with heavy "if you do that, it's wrong!!!" vibes (but in the real world, people are doing "wrong" things with gear and are perfectly happy). Look at Jucifer or Zoroaster.
I would look for Peavey 2x15s on Craigs List (should cost under 250) and get two of them. There's a deeper model (some are shallow, only 14 inches deep I think) and the deeper one has better bass reproduction. Search Craigs List for 2x15 and 8x10. See what's available and work backwards from there. You can get a used 8x10 for 400-600 bucks. If you can afford the fancier brands (Mesa) and one turns up, then go for that.
I am a proponent of not mixing matching cabs and speaker sizes for bass. I think they cancel out moreso; there is science behind this. Zoroaster sounds cool recorded, but I saw them live 4 months ago at Emos indoors and they sounded HORRIBLE in a bad way, a big jumbo of indecipherable horrible noise cause they played way too loud and there was just no way to mix it; not sure if it was also speaker cancellation but ya I could not tell what notes were being played and the soundguy just gave up and left his board!
I like my gallien 410 cabs that weigh 40 pounds each and fit in the back of my corrolla
Someone chime in:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/USA-MADE-ACOUSTIC-VL810-8-X-10-2Way-Bass-Guitar-Cabinet-Samick-2400watt-8x10-NEW-/390440082714
My boner says yes.
There's gotta be reviews, google the name with "review".
Quote from: everdrone on March 07, 2014, 09:17:38 PMZoroaster sounds cool recorded, but I saw them live 4 months ago at Emos indoors and they sounded HORRIBLE in a bad way, a big jumbo of indecipherable horrible noise cause they played way too loud and there was just no way to mix it; not sure if it was also speaker cancellation but ya I could not tell what notes were being played and the soundguy just gave up and left his board! rolla
Agreed, it sounds horrible live, but that must be what they want, since they keep doing it!
It really depends, I run a svt810 and a svt215 and they sound fine together. I like the sound of the 215 more then the 810.
I've seemingly read all (2) reviews available.
Quote from: mutantcolors on March 07, 2014, 09:30:01 PM
Someone chime in:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/USA-MADE-ACOUSTIC-VL810-8-X-10-2Way-Bass-Guitar-Cabinet-Samick-2400watt-8x10-NEW-/390440082714
My boner says yes.
Cool, they have found a way to get all of the downsides of crossfiring, and 8x10 cabs, and none of the upsides. Good work. compromised internal volume, massive weight and no dispersion advantages.
Ha, right on. Thanks.
(http://www.premierguitar.com/Stream/StreamImage.aspx?Image_ID=582581E4-3C51-43F2-87B0-54C07403B95F&Image_Type=image)
that's like $10,000 in bass gear..what bass player wouldn't be happy with that. I certainly wouldn't want to have to lift it for any reason, but it would be fun to play through..
Quote from: mortlock on March 07, 2014, 10:59:28 PM
(http://www.premierguitar.com/Stream/StreamImage.aspx?Image_ID=582581E4-3C51-43F2-87B0-54C07403B95F&Image_Type=image)
that's like $10,000 in bass gear..what bass player wouldn't be happy with that. I certainly wouldn't want to have to lift it for any reason, but it would be fun to play through..
Yea - that's a dope rig.
I use an acoustic 370 through an Orange 4x10. I've had sooo many different rigs over the years.. and truthfully - almost all of it was unnecessary - I can get the same crushing thunderous sounds with this rig. I am also a fan of 10s. Personally, I think building a better bass cab is a wee bit more difficult than building a guitar cab - just because the low frequencies are harder to contain in a tight enclosure...
A gear savvy bass player friend of mine tipped me off to an Acoustic 402 at a nearby pawn shop. Tomorrow I inspect...
(http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww151/matt_wood_89/P6150276.jpg)
snag that while you can..nice find. where is it. I might want it..
Nowhere near anyone since I am the sole representative of Idaho up in this piece.
Quote from: mutantcolors on March 07, 2014, 09:30:01 PM
Someone chime in:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/USA-MADE-ACOUSTIC-VL810-8-X-10-2Way-Bass-Guitar-Cabinet-Samick-2400watt-8x10-NEW-/390440082714
My boner says yes.
My ears say yes, saw a band use one of these a couple weeks back, only the vocals were through the PA and the bass was loud as hell and sounded great. Why get an 8x10 when you can get two 4x10s though? If you're a power lifter it's no big deal I guess.
I remember helping a former bass player research some new gear, and fEarfull came up a few times. I think the premise is some guy has done the acoustic leg work and drawn up the plans...which you download and build. Never heard one in person, but like most gear the fans of it rave about it.
http://greenboy.us/fEARful/faq.htm
Also, what about Avatar? That name used to get tossed around at the old board quite a bit.
Quote from: mutantcolors on March 08, 2014, 01:39:21 AM
A gear savvy bass player friend of mine tipped me off to an Acoustic 402 at a nearby pawn shop. Tomorrow I inspect...
(http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww151/matt_wood_89/P6150276.jpg)
If you get one of these, line it with knobbly foam or similar, there is an ugly bit in the top that sorts out. One of them was my main cab until I got my Barefaced.
Quote from: chille01 on March 08, 2014, 03:45:17 AM
I remember helping a former bass player research some new gear, and fEarfull came up a few times. I think the premise is some guy has done the acoustic leg work and drawn up the plans...which you download and build. Never heard one in person, but like most gear the fans of it rave about it.
http://greenboy.us/fEARful/faq.htm
Also, what about Avatar? That name used to get tossed around at the old board quite a bit.
Fearfuls are crossover multi driver jobs, probably better suited to SS rigs. Probably work with valve amps but they trade sensitivity for broad bandwidth, and if you are using valves, have to make a possibly more complex crossover with less impedance spikes. The Fearless Dually is the one for valves, but not free plans, those are commercial builder jobs.
Avatar are bang for buck builder in the US.
Thanks for the foam idea. Avatar is actually based in the northern part of my home state, but I was shocked at the not-so-affordable prices of their bass cabs, ans I think the only big boy sort of model they had was a 4x12 in a guitar enclosure.
I type this as I wait another hour for the pawn shop housing the 402 to open up. I'm not the kind of guy to worry about having matching gear on stage, but that would make a cute couple with my 450.
It is true that 8x10s can be a bitch to lug around, but oh my...that sound. That sound. That's the sound of rock n roll. A big silver lining regarding their size and weight is that they sell relatively cheap secondhand locally since they're an absolute nightmare to ship anywhere.
That being said, I had an Ampeg 610HLF for a bit, and that was every bit as much of a cab as the 8x10s I have owned, believe it or not.
I have one of the first inceptions of the Ampeg 8x10. Will probably never part with it. Still has og speakers. Bought for less than 250 too. its a little beat and is a bitch to move around but still.
Fridges may be easier to move than a half-stack, because tilt-back wheels let you roll like a dolly. Loading a fridge into a car or van, you lean it over and lever it onto the gate, never really holding the full weight. With a shorter cab you have to hoist the entire weight. You can also slide fridges on stairs. Perhaps true of shorter cabs too.
The best bass sounds I've heard have been two 6x10s or two 8x10s. Second best: one 8x10, or two 2x15
Only really works if a half stack is as heavy as a fridge, and since 4x10s are also fully obsolete now, and can get 2x15s at are one finger lifts, really doesn't work at all.
This thread has been really helpful for me so far. My current setup is a Acoustic 220 and a Peavey 410 TVX (4ohm), I have to dime the volume on my Acoustic to go along with the drummer so I was thinking about my setup. Originally I was thinking about adding a 215 (also 4ohm) and run it parallel into my Acoustic, using my amp to its full capacity at 2 ohms. But reading this thread has made me worry about mixing different speaker sizes..
Any thoughts?
That 220 really wants to run @ 2 ohms. It's a killer sound and should be loud enough for anybody! I've gotten good sound out of mine into an ampeg 410svt half and the 406, 2x15 cab, but it really came into its own when I added a second 2x15 (generic Crate w/JBL's). 220>2,2x15's= heaven, IMO.
Those Peavey 4x10s suck power in exchange for the lows they give. If you dig the sound, get another the same, the more speaker area will do more for you than the impedance drop.
I have been more than pleased with my Dietz 2x15 with EVs.
Hard to come by anywhere but Texas, but it paired with my mid-70s SVT is a match made in heaven.
Plus those Dietz cabs look cool. Win/win.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/10/7emu6yda.jpg)
Mine was on Craigslist for $300
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Knocked over that Acoustic for $300.
Who needs more than one speaker, anyway, really? ;)
Quote from: RacerX on March 13, 2014, 08:17:28 PM
Who needs more than one speaker, anyway, really? ;)
Whoa. They have all sorts of weird stuff down there, much of which the general public doesn't know about. I should head over with my baritone and Behr fuzz and plug in.
sound weapons are developed there. i could be wrong, but i wouldn't doubt it..
You are probably correct.
The old Van Nuys-made Acoustic Control Corp amps are still a great buy for the money, and I expect their slight jump in demand/price will be neutralized a bit by the cheapo Guitar Center rebrand versions flooding the market (don't touch those).
I second what Lumpy said about Peavey 2x15s. They are quite good cabs for the price (which usually doesn't break the $300 mark). I prefer 2x15s to 8x10s but I guess that comes down to preference. Bigger speakers don't necessarily mean better low frequency response, by the way. A lot of people love those SWR 8x8s. I have a little Phil Jones 4x5 that I use for upright and it has no problem reproducing lows.
I've been thinking about getting/building a fEARFUL for upright. Wouldn't use it for butt rock though. Those cabs are worshipped religiously over on talkbass, but a lot of those folks are the 96-string zebrawood bass through a D class micro amp types, who I imagine just use it for tapping and slapping YouTube videos, and gear demos, not playing with actual humans.
LOL at the last sentence. I'm more of a full sized guitar and bass set up, including instruments, for under 2 grand kind of guy. Shit, all 4 of my electrics and my bass probably still ring in under that.
Acoustic 450 - $135
Legend 4x12 - $300
Acoustic 2x15 - $300
2 Mockingbirds - $750 total
1 Hamer - $250
Squier Strat - $20 (not a typo)
Ibanez 305 - $200
$1955 aaaaaah yeeeeeeeah
I've got a reissue Acoustic setup for a basement jam rig, and it's not as terrible as the innernets might have one believe. The price was really good* and the sound is actually pretty dang good to my (relatively picky) ears. It seems that the amps can be very hit and miss, as far as them shitting the bed, so perhaps not recommended to tour/frequently gig with? Buuuut the cab is as solid of an 8x10 as any I've had before – which has been two Ampeg fridges.
*$500, 600-watt head w/ 8x10 (both new)
I saw those cabs going used for low $300s and instantly thought something had to be terrible about them.
I tried one in GC when they first came out, just for S's and G's, and thought it sounded like a Crate. It wasn't an 8x10 though.
I was confused by that as well..
The new run Acoustic heads sound surprisingly good, tho built like toys.
Mine sounded great til it shit the bed. Then I finally got it fixed and it sounded great before shitting the bed again within a matter of days.
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I'm looking for a 4 ohm Acoustic B410 cab for cheap.
People really like that Ampeg 4x10 HLF cab (for bass) if you can find one. The good thing about bass cabs (unless you live in Idaho) is that almost nobody wants to ship them, so perfectly good "pre-owned" bass cabs are available locally for bro prices.
I wish there were more bro prices on Craigslist where I live. People tend to ask ebay prices for stuff here.
If you see something on Craigs List for months on end, try making an offer. I think some people think Craigs List is a place to haggle prices (look at how many buyers try to do it). So maybe some of the sellers expect you to haggle? I dunno.
Good point although when they start at Musician's Friend prices.. ::)
As luck would have it I just found a listing for an Acoustic 410 online so low that even with the shipping charge it will still be a good deal. Just need to call tomorrow and see what the ohm rating is. I'm hoping the 4 ohm units aren't super uncommon. The new model is only available in 8.
edit: it's 8, no dice
These look small and light and the price is low
http://www.seismicaudiospeakers.com/SA-215/p/SA-215#.Uy3sZ9yfuuc
edit: I'm reading all over the net that this company makes junk.
Anyone know how the Eden EX410SC4 compares to the new lower end Acoustic and Peavey 410s?
http://www.edenamps.com/products/eseries/cabs/EX410SC4.html
http://www.zzounds.com/item--EDEEX410SC4
An Eden 4x10 for $299? ??? "Our slave labor is the best!" Weird to see them going after the budget side of the market. Misprint? Is that price missing a "1" at the beginning?
I would look for pro reviews (bass player magazine.com, etc) and amateur user reviews... for everything. I usually do...
The Acoustic rig stood up to the punishment of VHOL so I'm antsy to get that fucker on stage.
Quote from: Lumpy on March 25, 2014, 07:21:40 PM
An Eden 4x10 for $299? ??? "Our slave labor is the best!" Weird to see them going after the budget side of the market. Misprint? Is that price missing a "1" at the beginning?
I would look for pro reviews (bass player magazine.com, etc) and amateur user reviews... for everything. I usually do...
I looked a bit but couldn't find many reviews online. Will look more.
Slave labor... probably close, most certainly China :( I'd love to get a random used US made Peavey or whatever 4 ohm 4x10 but I want something easy to find an exact duplicate of if I want another in the future for more volume. 4 ohm vs 8 is a difference of 170 watts per channel with my power amp, maybe not worth the trouble however the extra power would certainly help assuming we are talking equally loud cabs. I had that amp clipping using one side (400 watts) into my two 8 ohm 2x12 cabs. Before anyone gets excited, this 4x10 desire is for my baritone for a different band idea. I may not be able to fit two 4x10s in my car with all of my other gear so 400 into a 4x10 might have to be loud enough. Saving longer for a better/louder cab would be the best idea of course, yes.
Look for cabinet efficiency ratings (again). The closer to 100dB the better (and some cabs go over 100). 1dB difference is noticeable. Supposedly all the manufacturers lie about their specs but what can you do?
What's your budget? Maybe you should look into Bergantino cabs, they are usually (relatively) light and efficient. For cheaper options, Avatar and Peavey.
What about this, you can't beat the price. Big box means good lows.
http://madison.craigslist.org/msg/4353022579.html (http://madison.craigslist.org/msg/4353022579.html)
based on that orange tank thread, I say get an orange..
Quote from: liquidsmoke on March 20, 2014, 11:19:22 PM
I wish there were more bro prices on Craigslist where I live. People tend to ask ebay prices for stuff here.
true dat
I used to have an ampeg 410 hlf that weighed 80 pounds
horrible lugging around on stairs, and angling into the compact car was insane!
I gave a bro deal onit, glad it is gone :)
Quote from: Lumpy on March 26, 2014, 12:47:28 AM
Look for cabinet efficiency ratings (again). The closer to 100dB the better (and some cabs go over 100). 1dB difference is noticeable. Supposedly all the manufacturers lie about their specs but what can you do?
Yeah, I've heard that too. Some companies also list peak watts handling apparently hoping you'll assume they are talking RMS. Arg.
Quote from: Lumpy on March 26, 2014, 12:47:28 AM
What's your budget? Maybe you should look into Bergantino cabs, they are usually (relatively) light and efficient. For cheaper options, Avatar and Peavey.
My budget is basically nothing although I can spend maybe $200-300 after Friday but I shouldn't. The Bergantino stuff looks awesome but it's quite pricey.
Quote from: Lumpy on March 26, 2014, 12:54:30 AM
What about this, you can't beat the price. Big box means good lows.
http://madison.craigslist.org/msg/4353022579.html (http://madison.craigslist.org/msg/4353022579.html)
Very good price. I'm thinking '700 watts
program power handling' probably means about 400 RMS.
Quote from: mortlock on March 26, 2014, 12:57:04 AM
based on that orange tank thread, I say get an orange..
I could start offering my asshole on Craigslist for cash I guess..
Quote from: everdrone on March 26, 2014, 01:20:23 AM
I used to have an ampeg 410 hlf that weighed 80 pounds
horrible lugging around on stairs, and angling into the compact car was insane!
I gave a bro deal onit, glad it is gone :)
That sounds like pretty normal weight for a 4x10 although not fun.
Hot dog, if these are in okay shape and the speakers are fine..
http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/msg/4386972038.html
Really good price, the boxes are large and squarish. Look up the dimensions. I think they aren't rated for a lot of watts (I had a Peavey 1820 and it's rated for like 200 watts). You could keep one as backup for when you blow the first one.
Quote from: Lumpy on March 26, 2014, 04:29:59 PM
Really good price, the boxes are large and squarish. Look up the dimensions. I think they aren't rated for a lot of watts (I had a Peavey 1820 and it's rated for like 200 watts). You could keep one as backup for when you blow the first one.
If it wasn't an hour drive I'd probably at least go look at them. I might get some cheap cab more locally for the time being but I really should just save up and get something quality that I can slam 800 watts into.
Just read that the Eden EX410SC4 is built with press board if anyone was curious. Will avoid for sure.
I think press board could sound okay (I don't see why not, because you don't want a "resonant" bass cab) but they will be heavy (also good for bass sound) but if you drop them badly, you can be screwed.
I think the press board thing is one of those 'Rules' where in real life, many people are perfectly happy with their gear, and it's a bunch of 'concern trolls' wringing their hands on the sidelines. If a $100 cab gets you to the next level down the road (mixed metaphor) then it was a good decision. And you can re-sell it to the next dude.
(resonance means the cab is absorbing energy, instead of projecting it... could mean sweet toanz for a guitar cab, but not necessarily wanted in a bass cab).
I'd pick one of those up if I could find one used for $150 but they don't seem to be very common.
The concern troll I read that bit of info from said he found out about the construction after installing castors that started ripping out.
Composite materials are good for non resonance if thick enough, but lack stiffness, so large panels flex and still lose energy unless are brutal heavy. There is no upside to weigh in itself. And once you are on to moving cabs, materials you can stick holes though that easily are a bit fail.
While we are on the topic of bass cabs, what do you techy folks think about neo speakers?
They can do more of everything better than ceramics, so not much by way of development is happening with ceramics. Only materials price is the problem, and that is supposedly sorting out. Ceramics will go the way of alnicos and field coils eventually. Biggest problem they have is a lot of cabinet companies are total shysters who just crammed neos into existing cabs that were not suited to the altered specs and sounded shitty.
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on March 28, 2014, 09:43:20 PM
They can do more of everything better than ceramics, so not much by way of development is happening with ceramics. Only materials price is the problem, and that is supposedly sorting out. Ceramics will go the way of alnicos and field coils eventually. Biggest problem they have is a lot of cabinet companies are total shysters who just crammed neos into existing cabs that were not suited to the altered specs and sounded shitty.
I've read this before yet people do seem to like them in Avatar cabs.
I think most (or all) of the Bergantino bass cabs have neodymium speakers. Maybe that should be your big bass cab splurge... a Bergantino 6x10. You can get them used for 750. Supposed to be louder and lower than an Ampeg 8x10, and it will fit on the backseat of your car. About 95 pounds I think (Ampeg is about 135 I think)
Quote from: liquidsmoke on March 29, 2014, 08:36:31 PM
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on March 28, 2014, 09:43:20 PM
They can do more of everything better than ceramics, so not much by way of development is happening with ceramics. Only materials price is the problem, and that is supposedly sorting out. Ceramics will go the way of alnicos and field coils eventually. Biggest problem they have is a lot of cabinet companies are total shysters who just crammed neos into existing cabs that were not suited to the altered specs and sounded shitty.
I've read this before yet people do seem to like them in Avatar cabs.
Avatar have a standard box size but retune the cabs to suit the drivers they use, they consult Eminence on how to do it right. Avatar are pretty straight up.
Quote from: Lumpy on March 29, 2014, 09:07:48 PM
I think most (or all) of the Bergantino bass cabs have neodymium speakers. Maybe that should be your big bass cab splurge... a Bergantino 6x10. You can get them used for 750. Supposed to be louder and lower than an Ampeg 8x10, and it will fit on the backseat of your car. About 95 pounds I think (Ampeg is about 135 I think)
Sounds very awesome.
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on March 30, 2014, 12:07:56 AM
Avatar have a standard box size but retune the cabs to suit the drivers they use, they consult Eminence on how to do it right. Avatar are pretty straight up.
Nice!