What is the ultimate Stoner Rock guitar?

[I,Galactus]

The Swedes do everything right,.

Metal, grind, crustpunk, doom, etc...

I know, right?!  No fair! 

Also seriously what the hell is that amp?!

[VOLVO)))]

The Swedes do everything right,.

Metal, grind, crustpunk, doom, etc...

My thoughts after checking out the recent thread on Snailking.

man.

[aowron]

rick for bass guitar!  I love my jetglo 4003

Problem w/ a Rick is they're thin sounding.  To each his own, for sure, but I have little love for a Rick for heavy music.  Graveyard-y sort of stuff, sure.  Big, heavy, bassy, sludgy metal... Not really.  I also had a Gibson RD Artist that I didn't love as much as my Yamaha BBs or G&L L-2000s.  Weird.

Ricks can sound really heavy and thick too. Last time I saw Kongh, I remember seeing the bassist playing a Rick, and I would neither call the bass sound on Dopethrone thin and wimpy...

[Mr. Foxen]

rick for bass guitar!  I love my jetglo 4003

Problem w/ a Rick is they're thin sounding.  To each his own, for sure, but I have little love for a Rick for heavy music.  Graveyard-y sort of stuff, sure.  Big, heavy, bassy, sludgy metal... Not really.  I also had a Gibson RD Artist that I didn't love as much as my Yamaha BBs or G&L L-2000s.  Weird.

Ricks can sound really heavy and thick too. Last time I saw Kongh, I remember seeing the bassist playing a Rick, and I would neither call the bass sound on Dopethrone thin and wimpy...

That is the great thing about driven valve amps. Now go find a clean rick sound, even on the Beatles albums is pretty hairy.

[Lumpy]

rick for bass guitar!  I love my jetglo 4003

Problem w/ a Rick is they're thin sounding.  To each his own, for sure, but I have little love for a Rick for heavy music.  Graveyard-y sort of stuff, sure.  Big, heavy, bassy, sludgy metal... Not really.  I also had a Gibson RD Artist that I didn't love as much as my Yamaha BBs or G&L L-2000s.  Weird.

Ricks can sound really heavy and thick too. Last time I saw Kongh, I remember seeing the bassist playing a Rick, and I would neither call the bass sound on Dopethrone thin and wimpy...

That is the great thing about driven valve amps. Now go find a clean rick sound, even on the Beatles albums is pretty hairy.

Yes? The Jam? Both have clean Rick sound (IMO). Early Rush?

BTW, I'm not a Rick fan...

[Metal and Beer]

Isn't there a fairly well-known mod to take that signature thinness out of 'em?

[James1214]

Yeah, you change a cap to one with a different value to bring out some more low end. The new 4003's have a push-pull on the bridge tone pot which engages that circuit. They are even more versatile. I can't wait to get the second rig running to have some rick-o-sound.

Back to guitars.

I think this one has contributed quite a bit to the "desert sound"

[FrankenFretter]

Yeah, you change a cap to one with a different value to bring out some more low end. The new 4003's have a push-pull on the bridge tone pot which engages that circuit. They are even more versatile. I can't wait to get the second rig running to have some rick-o-sound.

Back to guitars.

I think this one has contributed quite a bit to the "desert sound"

From the headstock, I'd guess that's an Ovation? Weird.

[bitter]

Yeah, you change a cap to one with a different value to bring out some more low end. The new 4003's have a push-pull on the bridge tone pot which engages that circuit. They are even more versatile. I can't wait to get the second rig running to have some rick-o-sound.

Back to guitars.

I think this one has contributed quite a bit to the "desert sound"

From the headstock, I'd guess that's an Ovation? Weird.

Yessir!

[FrankenFretter]

Ah, the Ultra GP. Google is a wonderful thing. My ignorance is revealed...

[Mr. Foxen]

Yes? The Jam? Both have clean Rick sound (IMO). Early Rush?

BTW, I'm not a Rick fan...

The Jam was an Ibanez, and think recordings were done with a precision, was talking to a guy regarding such things at length because he is borrowing my CMI copy for the purpose. Plus, Marshall amps have got to be the least clean 'clean' sound you can get. Not sure about Rush.

The thinness mod was pulling the cap from the bridge pickup, which was alike a reverse tone control that only let highs through so it wouldn't blow up guitar cabs when using Ric-o-sound.

[moose23]

Would Rick James count as clean Ric bass?

[BigSwordfishtrombone]

Not the best pic, but I consider my blacktop jaguar to be the best one for me.

[FrankenFretter]

Not the best pic, but I consider my blacktop jaguar to be the best one for me.

Nice!

[Tuekkong]

I believe the Mark of Cain rock Rickenbacker guitars and basses...granted its not stoner rock but still heavy in a Big Black trebly meets Helmet riffage way.

[BigSwordfishtrombone]

Not the best pic, but I consider my blacktop jaguar to be the best one for me.

Nice!

Thanks. I currently have it in D standard for some stuff I've been working on.

[Lumpy]

Yes? The Jam? Both have clean Rick sound (IMO). Early Rush?

BTW, I'm not a Rick fan...

The Jam was an Ibanez, and think recordings were done with a precision, was talking to a guy regarding such things at length because he is borrowing my CMI copy for the purpose. Plus, Marshall amps have got to be the least clean 'clean' sound you can get. Not sure about Rush.

The Jam played Rickenbackers. (Mods would play Ibanez? LOL) I saw them three times in the 80s, so I can say that with certainty. Maybe at the end, they weren't playing Ricks? (I stopped listening to them when they went Motown).

Geddy Lee played a Rick in early Rush. Wikipedia says he used a Rick on Fly By Night, Caress of Steel, 2112, A Farewell to Kings, and Hemispheres albums and tours. My friends were bombarding me with Rush during this time (one guy played a Rick because Geddy did) so I know this to be true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geddy_Lee#Bass_guitars

Not trying to bicker, but that "bouncy" clean tone is (IMO) the Rick bass' signature sound.

[Lumpy]

We can argue about other stuff now, since we all agree that the Gibson SG is thee ultimate Stoner Rock guitar.

[BigSwordfishtrombone]

We can argue about other stuff now, since we all agree that the Gibson SG is thee ultimate Stoner Rock guitar.

Yeah, it seems like some of my favorite stoner rock riffs were done on an SG. Teles and semi-hollow/hollow bodies seem to be really good for it too imo.

[Lumpy]

On further review, maybe those Rick bass players weren't all that clean (some overdrive there). Mr. Foxen may be right in the larger sense (that a lot of Rick players are using overdrive or distortion). More so than other brands? I don't know.

How about Rick James? John Taylor from Duran Duran? (I hate them, but good bass player). Go nuts with this list here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rickenbacker_players#Bassists

[moose23]

Yes? The Jam? Both have clean Rick sound (IMO). Early Rush?

BTW, I'm not a Rick fan...

The Jam was an Ibanez, and think recordings were done with a precision, was talking to a guy regarding such things at length because he is borrowing my CMI copy for the purpose. Plus, Marshall amps have got to be the least clean 'clean' sound you can get. Not sure about Rush.

The Jam played Rickenbackers. (Mods would play Ibanez? LOL) I saw them three times in the 80s, so I can say that with certainty. Maybe at the end, they weren't playing Ricks? (I stopped listening to them when they went Motown).

Bruce Foxton most definitely played an Ibanez Ric copy on at least the first album. Was only after that he got a real Ric and then  changed to a P-Bass by All Mod Cons. Apparently he wanted a bass that looked like a Ric but sounded like an EB-0.

[Mr. Foxen]

Yes? The Jam? Both have clean Rick sound (IMO). Early Rush?

BTW, I'm not a Rick fan...

The Jam was an Ibanez, and think recordings were done with a precision, was talking to a guy regarding such things at length because he is borrowing my CMI copy for the purpose. Plus, Marshall amps have got to be the least clean 'clean' sound you can get. Not sure about Rush.

The Jam played Rickenbackers. (Mods would play Ibanez? LOL) I saw them three times in the 80s, so I can say that with certainty. Maybe at the end, they weren't playing Ricks? (I stopped listening to them when they went Motown).

Bruce Foxton most definitely played an Ibanez Ric copy on at least the first album. Was only after that he got a real Ric and then  changed to a P-Bass by All Mod Cons. Apparently he wanted a bass that looked like a Ric but sounded like an EB-0.

According to some Jam page, it was a real rick first for style, but didn't like the sound. Either story sounds plausible, once you get to the point you actually care about the quality of the instrument and hear tone with your ears, the Ibanez would tend to come on top, especially compared to the last pick Ricks that got exported, but starting with the cheaper instrument also sounds likely. Rick has this ton of rabid fanboys thing that claim anything was a Rick, that list has Peter Hook on it FFS, he had a Hondo copy that was so shit he gave it away to a kid who sold it without using his name for a charity tombola. Imagine if anything shaped like a P bass got claimed as a Fender.

Also, Cliff Burton played an Aria Rick copy with the mudbucker in the neck position. Think he had a real one too, but might just have been the later aria with smaller pickup. Edit: having done a google image search, its always the Aria with mudbucker.

[Lumpy]

After searching the memory banks, I do remember Bruce Foxton playing a black Fender something on the 2nd show. (It was the 80s and I was probably high). I also didn't look at the headstock to know if he was playing a real Rick on the first show. So, 'D'oh!'.

[Mr. Foxen]

After searching the memory banks, I do remember Bruce Foxton playing a black Fender something on the 2nd show. (It was the 80s and I was probably high). I also didn't look at the headstock to know if he was playing a real Rick on the first show. So, 'D'oh!'.

Headstock may well not have helped, used to be able to get rick truss covers. About the only way to tell the good rick copies from the real thing was metric truss rod nuts, plus the good copies had better CNC machining and nicer wiring.

[Discö Rice]

It seems like some of you are really splitting hairs. I love Rickenbacker basses (it's not a monogamous kind of love, but it's a profound one). I don't get what the debate here is. Does anyone play "Stoner Rock" with a sparkling clean tone? I like growl.I like grit. As for the supposed lack of bottom end, the push/pull pot is a cool option that makes a great bass even more versatile. Y'allz crazy.